UKIP

[WaffenThinMint]

Britain First seen to be a rebranding of N.F. Or whatever they are known as.

You tend to find in the far-right it's largely the same tiny band of losers moving from group to group according to which one is doing better or who has fallen out with who. The current NF seem entirely made up of all the remaining old Hollywood Nazis from the Tyndall led BNP of the 1980s & 1990s - all the most loathsome creatures in the British political landscape in one neat package.

Britain First started as a splinter from the Griffin led BNP, but are less a political party & more for the sort of recreational bigot usually found at Ibrox interested in politics as an excuse for a punch up so long as the odds are heavily in their favour like their other cheek buddies the Socialist Workers Party.

[Broomhill Ultra]

Interesting story suggesting Farage would rather lose the referendum so he can start a new vanity project

Nigel Farage 'frustrated' over UKIP policy-making

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35949705

[Antlion]

Interesting story suggesting Farage would rather lose the referendum so he can start a new vanity project

Nigel Farage 'frustrated' over UKIP policy-making

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35949705

I wouldn't have believed this a few years back, but I actually think Farage is hoping for a "remain" vote having seen the strengths the SNP went on to after 2014. I note that he has gone from claiming he would pack it all in if the UK voted to remain in the EU (years ago) to now actually pointing out the success of the SNP post-indyref when asked what he'll do in the event of a "remain".

Farage just isn't a good enough politician to go beyond his one trick of carping about the European Union. If that was gone his brand of politics and his party's woolly, unpopular other policies would be flushed down the bog after his 2010 manifesto.

[Fide]

Let's play spot the mistake:

 

[ayrmad]

Let's play spot the mistake:

 

Which one?

[Wilky1878]

Let's play spot the mistake:

Is Nigel making a film about us

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

Wales

 

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-05-08/hamilton-close-to-leading-ukip-in-assembly/

[MEADOWXI]

Latest from Coburn

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14481277.Coburn_blames__dreadful_careerists__as_UKIP_unpick_disastrous_election_campaign/

 

Coburn blames 'dreadful careerists' as UKIP unpick disastrous election campaign - 

 

AKA - I was great but you all let me down, includes the the claim that;

 

Mr Coburn also suggested that he intentionally made glaring policy errors in public to draw attention to the party.

“By being controversial and colourful I have been told by the press I managed to get as much publicity as Sturgeon to the annoyance of the other party leaders,†he wrote.

 

“One man's deliberate ‘gaffe’ is another man's publicity opportunity.â€

 

And here was me thinking he was just a CockwombleTwat,

You fooled us all David.

[Antlion]

UKIP's Arthur Misty Thackeray (he of the nuisance sex calls) was on their Facebook page at election time claiming "gaffes get headlines". I wonder if he deliberately harassed women to get UKIP noticed...

[Thumper]

Let's play spot the mistake:

 

 

Picking a JPEG with too high a compression ratio as your source material, so that one's shit Photoshopping effort would have been immediately obvious even if the Ls were properly aligned with the rest of the text. Do I win?

[Ivo den Bieman]

The purple Tories facing months of in fighting and recriminations as the credulous simpleton membership either drifts back to Auntie Ruthie's happy bus, or gives up altogether. UKIP becomes the right wing version of Solidarity- basically a leadership fanclub with little connection to the wider electorate.

 

[welshbairn]

UKIP's founder on Nigel Farage:

 

 

 

"He wanted ex-National Front candidates to run and I said, 'I'm not sure about that,' and he said, 'There's no need to worry about the nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us.'"

 

 

Sked recalls, too, the letters of complaint he received from Salisbury, when Farage stood for Ukip in 1997's general election. "I remember one that said, 'I'm very glad your candidate believes in education, but until he learns to spell it, I'm not voting for him.' That's the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster

[Mr Bairn]

Nig nogs? Seriously?

[Ira Gaines]

Would it be much of a surprise? He's the leader of UKIP. Surely outright racism is a useful part of the CV to have in that position.

[WaffenThinMint]

UKIP's founder on Nigel Farage:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster

 

I used to know old Skeddie quite well. He's a decent bloke, kind, witty and articulate - certainly nicer than Farage who back in those days was a pompous Tory archetype. But the nonsense Skeddie's been coming out with over the last two decades has to be the worst case of sour grapes & petty spite in the history of British politics since Ted Heath with Margaret Thatcher.

Sked was a complete bumbler when it came to running any sort of political party; the classic case of an academic genius with zero organisational or political skills; & all the woes that came during his tenure he largely brought upon himself.

Enoch Powell used to send UKIP in the Sked days a few sentences he'd allow them to quote on their election leaflets to boost what little chances they had; especially if standing against a pro-EU incumbent. It was one academic doing a fellow one a favour (Powell by this stage had retired from politics & gone back to writing books on his usual myriad of subjects). But it made Skeddie's claims years later that UKIP became a bunch of immigrant bashers a touch rich when he was happy to use Enoch to get any sort of credence to what the old Anti-Federalist League were up to. Labour's Austin Mitchell also used to give them a fair old bit of more under-the-counter support.

(Powell was incidentally very choosy about which UKIP candidates he would endorse - amongst those he refused was a certain Nigel Farage, by letter on 28th March 1994 - and he refused point blank to ever stand for them, even when Sked asked).

Sked made an arse of himself on The Cook Report in 1997 when it revealed his PhD student Mark Deaven was the leader of the Young National Front (little more than football hooligans used to attack opponents or "protect" party events at the behest of leader Ian Anderson's minder & bovvy boy Terry Blackham (an associate of Garry Bushell); and was central to a loony plot by Nick Griffin to take over and merge the BNP & NF. The point is he & the rest of UKIP had been getting warned about what's going on; but because Deaven was under his academic supervision he ignored it & forbade any investigation.

Initially he resigned in response claiming his family had been threatened after the show, then withdrew it after a few weeks - thereby starting that farcial UKIP tradition later used by Michael Holmes & Nigel Farage in turn.

For someone that was so interested in keeping the NF out, when his bluff was called he did zero - and it almost destroyed UKIP overnight. Fortunately for them, they were about to be rescued courtesy of Sir Jammy Fishpaste - whom Sked had brilliantly encapsulated as "the politics of Sunset Boulevard by a playboy plutocrat" - who oh so very sportingly spunked a fortune making EU bashing "sexy" before kicking the bucket with impeccible timing.

 

Owen Bennett interviewed Sked for his wonderful roadtrip book "Following Farage" about the UKIP nutters, & he summed him up nicely as an amiable but bitter old man that couldn't handle that the party did far better without him thanks to a combination of good luck (Goldsmith's hyperspending Referendum Party falling apart the second the fat old toad croaked, leaving UKIP to hoover up what was left), plus the defection of BBC TV personality Robert Kilroy Silk giving them the streetcred with the plebs previously denied to them.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Would it be much of a surprise? He's the leader of UKIP. Surely outright racism is a useful part of the CV to have in that position.

It really infuriates me how easy a ride UKIP have been given over the years. Far too much focus on the blokishness of Farage and not enough challenge to his tacit racism.

It's not just the MSM but the cowardly way the mainstream parties have avoided confronting UKIP's lies on immigration in fear of offending the racists and racialists that are a significant part of the electorate.

[Jacksgranda]

It really infuriates me how easy a ride UKIP have been given over the years. Far too much focus on the blokishness of Farage and not enough challenge to his tacit racism.

It's not just the MSM but the cowardly way the mainstream parties have avoided confronting UKIP's lies on immigration in fear of offending the racists and racialists that are a significant part of the electorate.

 

If you believe that the mainstream parties believe that (that a significant part of the electorate are racists and racialists) it's hardly surprising that they are scared of offending them, thus depriving themselves of votes.

[Broomhill Ultra]

It really infuriates me how easy a ride UKIP have been given over the years. Far too much focus on the blokishness of Farage and not enough challenge to his tacit racism.

It's not just the MSM but the cowardly way the mainstream parties have avoided confronting UKIP's lies on immigration in fear of offending the racists and racialists that are a significant part of the electorate.

I absolutely agree, particularly galling when you see the hatred in Laura Kuenssberg's eyes when she's talking about the democratically elected leader of the opposition.

Think a lot of it seems from relief that the BNP imploded and UKIP were considered considerably less dangerous an alternative. Checking back the UKIP + BNP combined vote in the 2009 euro elections was 23% (!) with Griffin's nazi's getting nearly a million votes.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Article by Fintan O'Toole of the Irish times looking at English Nationalism and the problems it faces

 

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/18/england-eu-referendum-brexit

Extract To give you an idea of where he's coming from

Successful national independence movements usually have five things going for them:

• a deep sense of grievance against the existing order; 
• a reasonably clear (even if invented) idea of a distinctive national identity; 
• a shared (albeit largely imaginary) narrative of the national past; 
• a new elite-in-waiting; 
• and a vision of a future society that will be better because it is self-governing.

 

The English nationalism that underlies Brexit has, at best, one of these five assets: the sense of grievance is undeniably powerful. It’s also highly ambiguous – it is rooted in the shrinking of British social democracy but the actual outcome of Brexit will be an even closer embrace of unfettered neoliberalism. There is a weird mismatch between the grievance and the solution.

 

 

[kirkyblue2]

Article by Fintan O'Toole of the Irish times looking at English Nationalism and the problems it faces

 

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/18/england-eu-referendum-brexit

Extract To give you an idea of where he's coming from

Could that apply to the SNP too?