Granny Danger Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The delegate count is Cruz 8 and Trump and Rubio both on 7. They need 1236 to get the nomination. Are there some states where it's 'winner takes all' and is it the same principle for the Democrats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Are there some states where it's 'winner takes all' and is it the same principle for the Democrats? Yes, and it's supposed to favour Rubio. I think the Democrats vary the system from state to state too. There are some states that allow Republicans to vote for the Democrat nominee and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 A rough idea of where the main contenders stand on the political compass. No surprise that all the Republicans are clustered together. As they keep going on about how they need to strengthen the military despite already spending more on it than the next 9 countries combined. I imagine Trump comes top of the authoritarian scale on the basis of his tough stance on immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 yeah i could live with Rubio, heard him soeak a fre times on TV and he doesnt sound anywhere near as deluded as Cruz. Cruz does at least have convictions that he'll follow, even if they're batshit mental. Rubio has a nice wee story about his folks came from Cuba and his da worked as a barman and hasn't worked a proper job this side of his having a paper round. He's basically Blair with a less horrendous Mrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just put a bet on Rubio to win NH at 3/1. I know Trump is well ahead in the polls but there aren't nearly so many evangelicals for Cruz to feed on, and I think Rubio will pick off votes from the likes of Bush who most now see as a lost cause. Hopefully the pollsters are making similar mistakes about the Trump vote as they did in Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 P.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Is it just me who thinks the Democrats caucus system to be undemocratic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Is it just me who thinks the Democrats caucus system to be undemocratic? Is it any less democratic than the Republican caucus system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Is it any less democratic than the Republican caucus system? They both operate differently - the Republicans cast a ballot to indicate their preferred candidate. The votes are counted by the caucus chair and the winner is announced. There is no minimum, or “viability,” requirement, so every vote is counted and the winner is the candidate that received the most votes. For Democrats, caucus-goers physically stand in an area of the room that correlates with their desired candidate – this is called aligning. During a 30-minute alignment period, people work the room to try to convince others to support their candidate. It's that part of the process that has been open to abuse in the past - with accusations of bullying and intimidation regards the "convincing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cheers. The Democrat way sounds more fun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cheers. The Democrat way sounds more fun though. If by 'more fun' you mean fucking bizarre I would have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 P.S. there is a different between being ahead slightly in a poll like this then 20 points on other polls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 there is a different between being ahead slightly in a poll like this then 20 points on other polls Sure, but Rubio's going to pick up votes from Republicans who want a candidate who has chance of getting elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Sure, but Rubio's going to pick up votes from Republicans who want a candidate who has chance of getting elected. I get that only Trump and Rubio can win the New Hampshire primary, but even then, Rubio is up against it. Given that Trump has been consistently polling around 30%, while Rubio has had a recent surge and polling 15%. Even if the polls are way off. It would still be a shock for Trump not to win this. As for the Democratic side, Bernie already has this in the bag, as Hilary has already made concessionary statements earlier in the week. In an attempt to save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Winning New Hampshire itself isn't as important as the narrative that will be spun from the outcome; a narrow Trump win will be viewed as another flop like in Iowa. A massive, 20 points or so Sanders win will cause the same damage to the Clinton campaign, whereas a narrow defeat would be a good result for her. Rubio is certainly the Republican that people are beginning to think of as the eventual nominee, but that mistake has been made at this stage before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Pity help the Americans if the best their two political parties have to offer them are Ted Cruz/Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. There's a reason the right are going easy on Bernie. Clinton can beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How long Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Few people will talk about this, and fewer will even want to acknowledge it, but what Donald Trump did before the debate even began shows the measure of a real man’s worth. At the beginning of the ABC debate, each of the candidates were being introduced in a specific order. The first name called to the stage was Chris Christie. The applause was loud and lingered through the time when Martha Raddatz called the second candidate Ben Carson. Dr. Carson did not hear his name called (easy to understand why when you listen to the video) and stood in the entry-way. The moderators, with their backs to the candidates, didn’t notice his absence and called the third name on the list, Ted Cruz. Ted walked past Dr. Carson and onto the stage. Carson remained in the awkward, and embarrassing position, ‘no-mans-land’, on-camera but out of sight of the live audience. What happened next shows the remarkable character of Donald Trump. The fourth name called was Donald Trump, but by then the back-stage crew and candidates were aware of Dr. Carsons’ position. Trump slowly approached, and then realized the embarrassing position of a fellow candidate hanging in the wind. Trump showed his leadership by standing right next to his friend, and not walking onto the stage. The other names continued to be called, and proceeded as mentioned. But not Donald Trump, he remained with his colleague thereby reducing the internal anxiety felt by Carson. It would have been very easy for Trump to walk by Ben, just like all the other candidates did. But instead he chose to wait, and remove the embarrassment factor by infinite magnitudes. Then, like a boss, when Dr. Carson was called to the stage, Trump waited and allowed Ben to get the audience response and appreciation. It takes a lot of courage to make split second decisions like this, and it shows a remarkable insight into the man’s character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Best thing ive noticed is how the candidates are all saying "im not mainstream" when in fact they are all trying to represent the mainstream parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Is New Hampshire today? or is it next Monday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Is New Hampshire today? or is it next Monday? Surely New Hampshire is a place rather than a moment in time. HTH Yes, i am that bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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