Alan Stubbs Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 If there's one person on earth that you want to see slagging you off in public, it's Donald Trump. I'd imagine big Eck was absolutely delighted to see that in the papers this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Belting irony from Trump accusing anyone of having an inflated ego, btw. Fify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hilary is 1/12 to get the Democrat nomination Rubio the slight favourite for the GOP but Trump and Cruz very close Looking at the national "Hilary v ???" polls Clinton is a few points ahead of Trump and Cruz but neck-and-neck with Marco Rubio. If Rubio does indeed win the Grand Old Party nomination then I'd like to hope Donald Trump would stand aside and let Rubio have a fighting chance against Hilary. Like hell he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todders Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Trump is clearly trolling everyone into oblivion and most seem to be walking right into it. Though his quote on that fat mess Salmond is superb. Belting irony from Salmond calling Trump a "loser", btw. But aren't they best buddies according to the unionists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 We're now well into December, as for my predictions I made a few months back. I'm far less confident of Sanders winning the Democrat nomination, but even more confident Trump will win the GOP nomination. As historically whoever is leading the polls in December nearly always goes on to win the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 We're now well into December, as for my predictions I made a few months back. I'm far less confident of Sanders winning the Democrat nomination, but even more confident Trump will win the GOP nomination. As historically whoever is leading the polls in December nearly always goes on to win the nomination. What's price on Scottish referendum - No win General Election - Tory outright win EU referendum - UK to leave American Election - Trump to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 We're now well into December, as for my predictions I made a few months back. I'm far less confident of Sanders winning the Democrat nomination, but even more confident Trump will win the GOP nomination. As historically whoever is leading the polls in December nearly always goes on to win the nomination. Remember our bet? Think it was if either Sanders or Trump wins nomination I have to pay a tenner, if neither do you do. Winner's nominated charity. Sound right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What's price onScottish referendum - No winGeneral Election - Tory outright winEU referendum - UK to leaveAmerican Election - Trump to win There is too many variables in the EU referendum to know how to accurately price it. We don't know what a leave vote means until these EU negotiations are finished and there is many undecided voters. It largely depends on if there is still a migrant and Eurozone crisis. As for Trump, I dislike him as much as most of the other people on here do, but it has nothing to do with the stuff SJW's are trying to nail him on. Sure, he's his own man, but he's nothing like the anti-establishment candidate he tries to portray himself as. However, I have to look at things from a strictly analytical point of view. People who don't traditionally vote, will come out to vote for him in the primaries. Remember our bet? Think it was if either Sanders or Trump wins nomination I have to pay a tenner, if neither do you do. Winner's nominated charity. Sound right? Yes I remember that. Personally, in the event of me winning. I'd rather that tenner went to a charity of my choice instead of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 Giving this a bump as we're getting close to the first primaries now. Is Hillary in trouble? Polls showing Sanders ahead in Iowa. He's been the favourite to win New Hampshire for a while. The odds on him becoming the Democrat nominee have come in quite significantly. Trump out in front as favourite for the GOP nomination now, although the states where Rubio might be seen more likely to pick up nominations don't come into play for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I've not looked into it much, but Sanders supporters are claiming that Clinton's mob are now ramping up on the trash articles in the media against him. From what I've seen he's already been given a raw deal in terms of MSM coverage (low) compared to his polling (pretty high). I don't think he'll have the muscle or personality to win against the Shillary machine. It's looking like Trump on the other side, unless his momentum can be stopped. Poor candidates all round tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Is there any point in bothering with primaries? Seems almost certain that it's going to be Trump against Hilary, and for me Trump is the slight favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Trump hasn't a chance in the big states like California and Florida, he'll get squeezed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 Is there any point in bothering with primaries? Seems almost certain that it's going to be Trump against Hilary, and for me Trump is the slight favourite. When this thread started it seemed certain that it would be Hillary against Jeb. I still think Rubio might win the nomination. I also think that Hillary would win an election against Trump fairly comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 When this thread started it seemed certain that it would be Hillary against Jeb. I still think Rubio might win the nomination. I also think that Hillary would win an election against Trump fairly comfortably. she will win against rubio comfortably also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I also think that Hillary would win an election against Trump fairly comfortably. There are a lot of factors in play, I'm not at all sure how it would play out, but I doubt Clinton would win easily. How much of the Sanders vote would she retain? Sanders supporters are quite a distance from Shillary. Do they abstain? How many are in it for the anti-establishment thing more than the party political thing, and would actually switch to Trump? How many take an anyone-but-Trump approach? The Sanders mob are also probably your most anti-war/imperialism/corporate block, so how palatable will it be switching over to someone with Hillary's warmongering and establishment record? Hillary's vote-because-my-vagina ploy also probably isn't going down as well as expected, nor is the vote-because-your-vagina ploy. Probably recoverable though, especially against Trump. Trump seems to be annoying the traditional Republican establishment, so how much does he lose there, both in votes and conservative media attacks? His populist rhetoric on the other hand reaches further across the political spectrum than Shillary, so may well pull in a lot of undecideds or those usually uninterested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It's both astonishing but at the same time frankly not surprising at all that the American people are likely to elect Hitlery as their next president. Her time as Secretary of State was a disaster, particularly regarding Libya, and that's even before considering the email scandal which revealed the extent of her knowledge of some of the more nefarious aspects of that conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 When this thread started it seemed certain that it would be Hillary against Jeb. I still think Rubio might win the nomination. I also think that Hillary would win an election against Trump fairly comfortably. I'm still hopeful on my Rubio bet. I don't think Trump even wants to be President, it would be too much like hard work, having to compromise and take advice from people who actually know what they're talking about, and Cruz is far too creepy to be electable. Rubio looks young, intelligent and Kennedyesque and may sway some middle grounders, especially women of a certain age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Either Clinton or Sanders will start off as favourites regardless of who the Republican candidate is once the nominations are decided, but if Trump is the winner then the Democrats would be far better with Sanders than Clinton. Trump has gained his popularity and momentum through positioning himself as outwith the political elite then savaging those who are part of that perceived elite through personal attacks - if Trump had never entered the race Jeb Bush would still be the Republican front runner. If he wins the nomination and carries that strategy on, it'd actually work against Clinton. Perhaps not enough to make up for his own flaws when he's under considerably more scrutiny, but he would undoubtedly do some damage to Clinton. That tactic wouldn't work against Sanders. Sanders can also play the card of being someone outwith the political mainstream, with the advantage of not being entirely inexperienced or politically and economically illiterate. He's not tainted by Benghazi or the email scandal, he's not associated with the Democratic hierarchy. He can engage voters who don't usually turn out just as well as Trump can. Playing the man would work against Clinton, the same attacks would just bounce off Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Either Clinton or Sanders will start off as favourites regardless of who the Republican candidate is once the nominations are decided, but if Trump is the winner then the Democrats would be far better with Sanders than Clinton. Trump has gained his popularity and momentum through positioning himself as outwith the political elite then savaging those who are part of that perceived elite through personal attacks - if Trump had never entered the race Jeb Bush would still be the Republican front runner. If he wins the nomination and carries that strategy on, it'd actually work against Clinton. Perhaps not enough to make up for his own flaws when he's under considerably more scrutiny, but he would undoubtedly do some damage to Clinton. That tactic wouldn't work against Sanders. Sanders can also play the card of being someone outwith the political mainstream, with the advantage of not being entirely inexperienced or politically and economically illiterate. He's not tainted by Benghazi or the email scandal, he's not associated with the Democratic hierarchy. He can engage voters who don't usually turn out just as well as Trump can. Playing the man would work against Clinton, the same attacks would just bounce off Sanders. Nobody who calls themselves a socialist will ever get elected President in America. I was talking to some people in Georgia and they were saying how the combines and multinationals were ruining everything and it would be much better if the workers could run things. When I suggested it sounded a bit like communism I nearly had to leave town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The American electorate are not in the mood for business as usual. Trump and Sanders would have been no hopers before the credit crunch hit, but now people are willing to listen when somebody offers an alternative approach. The best strategy to win will be to have the the mainstream candidate win with the challenger accepting the VC nomination and odds on that's what happens with the Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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