Yank Mike Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Wow. Fox News went after Trump. It was insane. I was watching with many Democrats and a bunch of Democrats were texting me about this. It was softball, softball, softball, increadible hardball for Trump, softball, softball, softball, hardball for Trump. Rush Limbaugh had predicted before the debate that the wealthy Republican establishment had given marching orders to destroy Trump. We will see how the polls respond, but it seems to me that everyone understood the establishment wanted to take him out. This might help his candidacy in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I wouldn't really call this a "debate". Debates are supposed to be about defending your position and challenging your rivals one at the same time. Anyone can make sound bites. If they can prepare and anticipate questions in advance. The questions given by the hosts were unbalanced. I do think Trump and Paul were given hard ball questions relative to everyone else. The views given about abortion were terrifying and if they were given over here. They would be dismissed as some kind of zealot. The views about immigration were nothing more than who could sound toughest on it. However, a couple of candidates made good points on how many of them were not from Mexico and were simply passing through and that it doesn't matter how high and tough you make a wall when you can just dig a tunnel underneath it. Of course, no mention about what's causing that. Which is the war on drugs and the subsidization of their own farmers. Making it impossible to compete with American farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I caught most of it, but missed the last 10 minutes. The Doctor came across the best of a bad bunch. I was surprised before to see that Rand Paul wasn't making much headway, but can see why - if you're into his message and I imagine a lot of America is, there's a big amount of votes up for grabs and on the left too, yet he didn't come across clear or coherent enough, and nitpicking at Trump (although a c**t) is not attractive to neutrals. Maybe he is better and had a bad night, but didn't think he was great at all, and not a patch on his old man. Did Trump answer a single question? To be fair to him his question were ridiculous in comparison in both tone and message to what the others were asked. I can see why he's doing well with certain people. He's not a politician, he's arrogant, robust, quick-witted and funny. He is box office no doubt at all, but he will never win the nomination. A bit like a US Farage in that some people may like him, but come crunch they'll choose someone else. Kasich, Huckabee, Cruz, Christie may as well pull out. Rubio is a slick operator. Looks the part, speaks well, and I imagine appeals to many on diferent sides. A 'typical' politican. Dr Carson came across well. He was quite funny, and I had no idea who he was, imagine many Americans didn't either and whilst being quite charming, intilligent, and interesting. Imagine his main role was to keep out of the headlines, but introduce himself to voters, and he did that well. He was the best. Jesus Christ though, imagine being an American and having to choose between a Democrat and a Republic. Hillary is awful too. I hope to god Sanders or anyone really can beat here, but it looks like she's got it sewn up. There's no way O'Malley or Biden will win - one is too old and been in office for 8 years, the other won't appeal to the swing voters. And Sanders is the Rand Paul of the Democrats - looks good on paper, popular with the youngsters, but will never appeal to the people who they need to win the presidency. Enjoyed it though, and it'll be interesting to see how far Trump goes. Can he afford to run til the end though? He may well be a rich man, but this a different type of riches required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 And I've missed out Jeb. Shows how much an impact he made, when I forgot all about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Sooner Trump than another Bush or Clinton. Dubya was an unmitigated disaster and almost managed to collapse the world's entire financial system, while Bill started off a lot of the problems by loosening up financial regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Sooner Trump than another Bush or Clinton. Dubya was an unmitigated disaster and almost managed to collapse the world's entire financial system, while Bill started off a lot of the problems by loosening up financial regulations. Aye, and a Trump administration would be extremely stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Sooner Trump than another Bush or Clinton. Dubya was an unmitigated disaster and almost managed to collapse the world's entire financial system, while Bill started off a lot of the problems by loosening up financial regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 For those who struggle with English comprehension, the use of "Sooner..." should signal that I am not necessarily that keen on Trump either. Think Bernie Sanders is a much better option, but the US electorate voting for a "socialist" would be unusual to say the least. Alberta in Canada did it a few months back, which is far and away the most right wing and redneck Canadian province, so unusual things are happening politically on that continent at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Wolverine is from Alberta. Anyway, as much as Hillary Clinton makes Liz Kendall look like Lenin, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat over any of the Republicans. Mike Huckabee once pardoned a convicted murderer for absolutely no reason other than to piss her husband off. Said felon went on to rape and murder again. This is a mainstream Republican Presidential candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Jesus Christ though, imagine being an American and having to choose between a Democrat and a Republic. As opposed to the UK where you have the option of the blue Tories or red Tories for Westminster. At least there is some separation between the policies of the Democrat and Republican candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Aaaaand Trump loses the female vote following Megyn Kelly period joke......oh dear. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-black-balled-by-conservatives-over-menstruation-comment Donald Trump has been officially banned from one of the biggest gatherings of conservative activists after implying he received hostile questioning during the first Republican presidential debate because the television moderator was menstruating. Trump was uninvited from the RedState Gathering late on Friday after saying in a CNN interview that Fox Newss Megyn Kelly had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever, while questioning him during Thursday nights debate. The real estate mogul had been scheduled to appear at a special tailgate at the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta at the close of RedState Gathering on Saturday night. Erick Erickson, the organizer of the event and a major conservative activist tweeted late on Friday night, I have rescinded my invitation to Mr. Trump. While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far. In a follow-up blog post, Ericksonamplified why he was disinviting Trump: there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross, he wrote. Decency is one of those lines. On Saturday morning, Trump used Twitter to attempt a clarification of his remark. He tweeted: Re Megyn Kelly quote: you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever (NOSE). Just got on w/thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Talking about menstruation isn't a vote winner IMHAHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Kind of want Trump to win. Would be a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 A man with the catchphrase 'your fired' with his finger on the nuclear button should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I personally though that Jeb Bush and John Kasich came out of that quite well, Rubio was also quite a good operator. It's not saying much, but this Bush seems slightly more tolerable than his brother. I liked it when he said "In Florida, they call me Jeb", like that's some kind of name that he's earned, not just his actual name. Kasich I thought also answered the gay marriage question very well, saying whilst he opposed it, he accepts the courts rulings and God gives him unconditional love so he would give any of his family the exact same. You need to fit in God somewhere, I suppose. For a GOPer, it's probably about as good as you'll get! Even the audience actually cheered (a far cry from when they actually booed a gay solider 4 years ago), though that might just be because it''s his home state it was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 TBF, I think Megyn Kelly did far more damage to herself than Donald Trump did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Republicans to destroy each other and then Mitt Romney to change his mind and enter the race and become the nominee. The electorate are stupid enough to forget previous scandals and he will probably be a lot more popular by not saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 It's not saying much, but this Bush seems slightly more tolerable than his brother...I liked it when he said "In Florida, they call me Jeb", like that's some kind of name that he's earned, not just his actual name...Kasichand God gives him unconditional love so he would give any of his family the exact same. Jeb is a nickname based on his initials apparently. He is part of a family with very close ties to what Eisenhower referred to as the military-industrial complex and is hence extremely dangerous regardless of how nice a guy he may seem during a debate. The reason the US corporate media is out to destroy Trump at the moment is that he is a complete loose cannon and can't be relied upon to follow the imperialist agenda that the favoured front-runner presidential candidates are selected to implemement. As for Kasich, has he ever bothered to read the Bible? Where exactly does he pick up this unconditional love angle in the Old Testament or the completely wacko Revelations bit at the end? Even the Jesus character comes across as a bit of a nutter with a message that is a lot more do what I say or else, than anything unconditionally positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southside Hibee Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I myself have a theory about the GOP's 2016 candidate race; if Donald Trump continues to keep a quite a comanding lead in the polls, I believe that some of the Republican's big backers may approach Mitt Romney and ask to him to enter into race, mainly just to have a viable opposition to Donald Trump. Romney was unknown by many before he ran in 2008. However since then he has been able to build up his brand and deliver a narative that actually resonates amongst most Republican's Onto the debate: Scott Walker comes across is an absolute buffoon, his views on abortion were utterly terrifying and he was actually delusional enough to think that most Americans agreed to the depths he believes in pro-life. Dr Ben Carson seemed quite startled at one point when he was asked a question, I somehow think that he may be a tad too placid to be a leader. However what I will say is that his lifestory and how he is so successful in his profession is quite inspiring. Rand Paul is certainly one of the more liberal candidates, particularly on social issues, but we are talking about the Republican's here; liberal just isn't associated with the GOP. His father Ron Paul has some interesting views on healthcare - Ron raised a point vased on the premise that if a man is in a coma and cannot afford to pay for medical fees, then his life support should be switched off purely because he[Ron] doesn't believe that it is governement's role to fund health care. However with that said, I can't say I am surprised with Ron's stance, baring in mind he is a Libertarian. At the moment I would say that the best fit for the GOP nominee is Marco Rubio, his values are quite in keeping with the party as whole and he does seem to relate to working/middle class voters; who the Republican's really need to capture if they have any hope of winning next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Mike Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Questions about this poll, but it's the first I've seen since the debate. Trump slightly extends his lead and Jeb Bush falls off the face of the earrth. My personal favorite, Carly Fiorina, used her performance in the JV debate to jump from 2% to 8%. 3 of the top 4 are people who decided to do something with their lives other than telling everyone else how to live. Real estate billionaire, career politician, brain surgeon, businesswomen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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