ShaggerG Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There is no way that it was a deliberate handball. If it was he must have been hoping it would hit his hand as he wasn't looking at his hand or the ball at the time. Therefore it should have been a penalty as Meekings definitely stopped the ball crossing the line but he certainly shouldn't have been sent off! I think any reasonable person would acknowledge this. So he should therefore win his appeal, shouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 When Celtic are involved these rockets will never calm down, small minded, petty dipsticks motivated by their hatred of a football team. f**k every one of them. Correct. I fucking hate Celtic. I'm sure the sentiment is shared by many on here. Have a greenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There is no way that it was a deliberate handball. If it was he must have been hoping it would hit his hand as he wasn't looking at his hand or the ball at the time. Therefore it should have been a penalty as Meekings definitely stopped the ball crossing the line but he certainly shouldn't have been sent off! I think any reasonable person would acknowledge this. So he should therefore win his appeal, shouldn't he? Another who does not understand the hand ball rule. For a hand ball to be a foul it MUST be deliberate. If he did not mean it then no foul. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There is no way that it was a deliberate handball. If it was he must have been hoping it would hit his hand as he wasn't looking at his hand or the ball at the time. Therefore it should have been a penalty as Meekings definitely stopped the ball crossing the line but he certainly shouldn't have been sent off! I think any reasonable person would acknowledge this. So he should therefore win his appeal, shouldn't he? I believe he will, and should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Another who does not understand the hand ball rule. For a hand ball to be a foul it MUST be deliberate. If he did not mean it then no foul. Simple. It's my opinion, I know the rule which I think is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Another who does not understand the hand ball rule. For a hand ball to be a foul it MUST be deliberate. If he did not mean it then no foul. Simple. But to be deliberate they count arm in an unnatural position - that's the FIFA markers is it not? His arm was in an unnatural position. I would argue it was too close for him to react though - but I don't know how that comes into the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 But to be deliberate they count arm in an unnatural position - that's the FIFA markers is it not? His arm was in an unnatural position. I would argue it was too close for him to react though - but I don't know how that comes into the rule. There are no FIFA markers. Just different association's advice to referees. Look up law 12. I think it is law 12.So what is 'deliberate' handball? In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials". It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. "A caution or dismissal is not normally required." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 It's my opinion, I know the rule which I think is just wrong. Your opinion counts for nothing, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There are no FIFA markers. Just different association's advice to referees. Look up law 12. I think it is law 12. So what is 'deliberate' handball? In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials". It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. "A caution or dismissal is not normally required." But the SFA have markers which include 'arm in an unnatural position'? That has to be part of the rules somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 But the SFA have markers which include 'arm in an unnatural position'? That has to be part of the rules somewhere. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 No. So there is no official guidance to our refs about the arm being in an unnatural position? How do they deal with the tricky issue of intent then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john3313 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 celtic you should be lying low not embarrassing yourselfs even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Well i for one applaud your self awareness. Quite right sir, f**k Celtic fans, every one of them. Does that include Niall McGinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland No 1 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 With regards to the "not seen" aspect, I've just seen it again on the news, and I find it very difficult to believe that the official on the goal line hasn't seen it. He actually moves across to get a better view just before Griffiths heads it! Instead of having 2 goal line ref assistants we should have video referees similar to Rugby League games to review incidents like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Instead of having 2 goal line ref assistants we should have video referees similar to Rugby League games to review incidents like this. Or perhaps just let the Green Brigade referee all Celtic matches....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphyscot Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Or perhaps just let the Green Brigade referee all Celtic matches....... I think half of them think they already do from their armchairs at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Or perhaps just let the Green Brigade referee all Celtic matches....... They'd be awarding penalty licks and handing out mellow cards all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There is no way that it was a deliberate handball. If it was he must have been hoping it would hit his hand as he wasn't looking at his hand or the ball at the time. Therefore it should have been a penalty as Meekings definitely stopped the ball crossing the line but he certainly shouldn't have been sent off! I think any reasonable person would acknowledge this. So he should therefore win his appeal, shouldn't he? Why would it be a penalty at all if it was ball played man. If we're going to give forwards penalties for driving the ball against players hands then that's all forwards are going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Another who does not understand the hand ball rule. For a hand ball to be a foul it MUST be deliberate. If he did not mean it then no foul. Simple. Why would it be a penalty at all if it was ball played man. If we're going to give forwards penalties for driving the ball against players hands then that's all forwards are going to do. I find it astonishing that so many cannot get their heads around this fairly straightforward rule regarding intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Germany v USA, QF, World Cup 2002. Have laws changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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