pandarilla Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 what colour? Are you trying to correct something that's not a mistake? Ooft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 In an attempt to produce something free of bias I've ranked the clubs purely on the following criteria: Trophies won, and time spent in respective leagues. Short of indexing all 42 senior clubs and counting out everything they've done (which was my initial intention before I got bored and long before I discovered the relative spottiness of such data for the bottom 20 teams) there's still always going to be a degree of contention when clubs have achieved relatively similar results and league placings over a similar amount of time. This is particularly the case of the bottom half of this list, where a lot of teams are pretty similar in terms of what they've achieved. The other issue with this sort of approach arises in the form of trophy anomalies. Queen's Park have won the Scottish Cup 10 times which in a purely points based system (ie so many points for titles, seasons in each league all added up) would probably see them top ten, when they've been largely in the bottom tier for more than the past century. The same happens with Dumbarton's league titles. The same also happens to an extent with European success, which I've tried to rank fairly. I have attempted to create this list free of any recency bias regarding the "size" of a club. "We've got bigger attendances than you over the past three years!" is a shite argument for compiling a list of teams in this fashion that comprises achievements over 100-140 years. In the cases of relative historical equality however recent success probably comes into it, and it also probably hurts various recently elected former highland league teams (I await the ire of P&B's Staggies population). In fact, I await being told my list is a load of shite, but please know that if you deem it so this is owing purely to a lack of knowledge or a short attention span, rather than caring particularly about one club over another. 1. Celtic 2. Rangers 3. Aberdeen 4. Hearts 5. Hibernian 6. Motherwell 7. Dundee 8. Dundee United 9. Kilmarnock 10. Falkirk 11. St. Mirren 12. St. Johnstone 13. Dunfermline 14. Partick Thistle 15. Morton 16. Raith Rovers 17. Inverness 18. Clyde 19. Queen's Park 20. Livingston 21. Airdrie 22. Queen of the South 23. Hamilton 24. Albion Rovers 25. Dumbarton 26. East Fife 27. Ross County 28. Ayr United 29. Alloa 30. Cowdenbeath 31. Forfar 32. Stirling Albion 33. Stenhousemuir 34. Stranraer 35. Arbroath 36. Brechin 37. East Stirling 38. Berwick 39. Peterhead 40. Elgin 41. Montrose 42. Annan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie Onions Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 34. Arbroath 35. Stirling Albion I wouldn't let the Stirling fans see this m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Actually that's a good point, bump them up a few spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 This thread's been surprisingly good value. Virtually everybody's list looks reasonable on first look, until you notice that East Stirling have edged into the top 20, or something equally amusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPapacNoParty Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 This thread's been surprisingly good value. Virtually everybody's list looks reasonable on first look, until you notice that East Stirling have edged into the top 20, or something equally amusing East Stirlingshire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Celtic, Aberdeen & Rangers have all won something in Europe. Dundee United got to a UEFA Cup final. Dundee famously contested a European Cup semi. A quick comparison between Hearts & Hibs, shows that Hibs gets the better of that argument as well. So if you're at least 7th best in Scotland, I don't see the point in comparing yourselves to teams from England. Erm, because he said Hearts had done "nothing in Europe", which is simply a highly innacurate statement. As for Hibs: they won two ties to reach their semi-finals in Europe. Two. Hearts had to win three just to reach the quarters, because that was when there wasn't only two men and their dog competing. Their record over the past 30 years compared to ours is pitiful. Malmo ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Also, the ten biggest clubs will always be the seven traditional city clubs, followed by Kilmarnock and Motherwell, who are roughly the same size, then St. Mirren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hague Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Erm, because he said Hearts had done "nothing in Europe", which is simply a highly innacurate statement. As for Hibs: they won two ties to reach their semi-finals in Europe. Two. Hearts had to win three just to reach the quarters, because that was when there wasn't only two men and their dog competing. Their record over the past 30 years compared to ours is pitiful. Malmo ffs. HIGHLY INACCURATE ? What are you on hearts have reached one quarter final in 60 years of competition that is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Did Hibs not reach the Semi Final of the Fairs cup, too? I'm sure they have featured in quarter finals of European competitions. (Other than the ones where they reached the semis, obviously!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 celtic rangers Aberdeen hearts hibs Dundee utd Dundee Kilmarnock dunfermline Falkirk motherwell st Mirren partick Morton st johnstone raith rovers inverness ayr QoS ross county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hague Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Hibs have reached 2semis and2 quarter finals.they got to the semis of the first ever European cup but Aberdeen where champions and wanted to play in the competition but the sfa would not let them and put hibs in instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 HIGHLY INACCURATE ? What are you on hearts have reached one quarter final in 60 years of competition that is pathetic. Erm, it's not. You're simply comparing it to the exceptional achievements of Aberdeen and Dundee United. In my lifetime - which is ultimately what I actually care about and what is relevant to myself - no Scottish club outside the Old Firm has played in Europe more than Heart of Midlothian. Indeed, no Scottish club outside of Celtic and Rangers gets near Hearts in my lifetime. Unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Erm, it's not. You're simply comparing it to the exceptional achievements of Aberdeen and Dundee United. In my lifetime - which is ultimately what I actually care about and what is relevant to myself - no Scottish club outside the Old Firm has played in Europe more than Heart of Midlothian. Indeed, no Scottish club outside of Celtic and Rangers gets near Hearts in my lifetime. Unlucky. Dunfermline, Kilmarnock and Dundee have all reached European semi finals, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Dunfermline, Kilmarnock and Dundee have all reached European semi finals, too. Good for them. My auld man might have even hit puberty by the time they did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hague Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Erm, it's not. You're simply comparing it to the exceptional achievements of Aberdeen and Dundee United. In my lifetime - which is ultimately what I actually care about and what is relevant to myself - no Scottish club outside the Old Firm has played in Europe more than Heart of Midlothian. Indeed, no Scottish club outside of Celtic and Rangers gets near Hearts in my lifetime. Unlucky. Well I don't know how old you are but hearts have qualified 21 times for Europe and Aberdeen 29 times.out of those 21 times hearts have been knocked out in the first round 12 times.no matter how you try to dress it up hearts have a v poor record in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Well I don't know how old you are but hearts have qualified 21 times for Europe and Aberdeen 29 times.out of those 21 times hearts have been knocked out in the first round 12 times.no matter how you try to dress it up hearts have a v poor record in Europe. I'm in my early twenties. I've seen Hearts qualify for the Champions League and become the first Scottish/British club to reach the UEFA/Europa League group stages. I've also seen us mix it with numerous household names. Historically, Hearts were at the lowest ebb in their history when Aberdeen did what they did in Europe. Today, money dictates what non Old Firm clubs can do and Hearts have punched above their weight in that particular category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 London Hearts website has Hibs playing more games in Europe than Hearts, winning more games in Europe than Hearts which means they also have a higher win percentage, losing less games and scoring more goals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 London Hearts website has Hibs playing more games in Europe than Hearts, winning more games in Europe than Hearts which means they also have a higher win percentage, losing less games and scoring more goals.... Doesn't count - didn't happen in the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm in my early twenties. I've seen Hearts qualify for the Champions League and become the first Scottish/British club to reach the UEFA/Europa League group stages. I've also seen us mix it with numerous household names. Historically, Hearts were at the lowest ebb in their history when Aberdeen did what they did in Europe. Today, money dictates what non Old Firm clubs can do and Hearts have punched above their weight in that particular category. The Dons weren't in great shape when Hearts qualified for European competition 5 times in the late 50s/early 60s, although what that's got do with anything is beyond me. Nevertheless, how far did Hearts progress when it was only two men and their dog competing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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