ecto Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Start with punctuation before having a go at zingers. Moron. now,now be careful don't want your ego bruised any further, we all know how fragile it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bojangles Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Flip Alexander and Grey and I'd say that's a pretty good list for getting progressively worse. Even then, those two were pretty damn close but were awful for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Swinney is a top bloke. Brilliant at what he does. Just not a party leader unfortunately for him. But as you say so far ahead of the majority of the list of slab leaders I always got the impression he represented the right of the SNP more than Salmond. It wasn't just his style and presentation I wasn't a fan of. He's impressed me much more as finance minister. I reckon Salmond had a word and got him telt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'd actually forgotten about Wendy Alexander. What's worse - being hopeless like Iain Grey or Lamont, or completely forgettable like Wendy? It's between those three for me, although Jim might be staking a claim, as the man in charge when Labour finally lost Scotland. I didn't mind Dewar or McLeish. Since then they have really plumbed the depths. Its like Labour don't want to be in power. I plumped for Grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I always got the impression he represented the right of the SNP more than Salmond. It wasn't just his style and presentation I wasn't a fan of. He's impressed me much more as finance minister. I reckon Salmond had a word and got him telt. He absolutely is to the right of the party and his insistence on a progressive tack for the party led to Margo debacle which was something I think everyone in the party regrets. However, his leadership did the unpopular things that dare I say it, salmond was too soft to do. By reigning in the seccesionists he set the party on the course that got it where it is today. A competent party of government rather than a rabble shouting from the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He absolutely is to the right of the party and his insistence on a progressive tack for the party led to Margo debacle which was something I think everyone in the party regrets. However, his leadership did the unpopular things that dare I say it, salmond was too soft to do. By reigning in the seccesionists he set the party on the course that got it where it is today. A competent party of government rather than a rabble shouting from the sidelines. Who are the secessionists? And when you say Margo debacle do you mean when she left the party? Your post has me intrigued about the political in-fighting within the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Who are the secessionists? And when you say Margo debacle do you mean when she left the party? Your post has me intrigued about the political in-fighting within the SNP. The secessionist or fundamentalists included the likes of Margo, Jim Sillars, Alex Neil, Kenny McAskill and many activists on the left of the party. They believed in campaigning hard for independence at all times and even UDI in the event of forming a govt. Swinney brought them into line and had a pretty disciplaniaran approach to them. This led to Margo leaving. However, it would appear that Swinneys approach has been vindicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 He absolutely is to the right of the party and his insistence on a progressive tack for the party led to Margo debacle which was something I think everyone in the party regrets. However, his leadership did the unpopular things that dare I say it, salmond was too soft to do. By reigning in the seccesionists he set the party on the course that got it where it is today. A competent party of government rather than a rabble shouting from the sidelines. It's interesting that in situations like this individuals are given credit for things that usually come about through consensus. If and when Scotland becomes independent I reckon Swinney will be the one that is getting all the biased media support that we rail against just now whilst others who argue for progressive policies will be under attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I would have to say Iain Grey. He would have to be held directly responsible for the mess SLAB are in now. Andy Kerr would probably have been party leader now had he held his seat, but the fact prominent members weren't list voted. Is in retrospect stupidity. However, I suspect snobbery is the real reason it wasn't done. Due to the fact that being a "list MSP" somehow makes you a lesser member of Holyrood. Jim Murphy for going from his 100 days in 100 towns to save the Union to then claiming he isn't a Unionist in less than 6 months, will say anything to win a vote. Also is seemingly diverting funds for the whole of Scottish Labour to try and win his own seat, simply to keep his snout in the trough. ETA - Special mention that he could actually lose his own seat as SLAB leader, has this ever happend before? I would assume he would cover for that possibility by putting himself first in the list votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 now,now be careful don't want your ego bruised any further, we all know how fragile it is What are you havering about? What does the ineptitude of Labour leaders in Scotland have to do with my ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Good grief, what a decision to make - sort of question that's a cross between "your worst hangover" and "most difficult shyte you ever had to push until your eyes almost popped the sockets" rolled into one. Donald Dewer: Shed no tears for the passing of this piss-stain on the underwear of politics. A careerist Labourite who spouted leftie platitudes whilst his constituents remained some of the poorest and most malnourished in the UK, let alone Scotland - all the while saying it was always the Tories fault. Were it not for some black ice, no one would ever have found out he'd been buying shares in South African arms contractors whilst shedding crocodile tears over the apartheid regime their wealth helped keep in place for decades, in addition to shares in the privatised utilities worth almost a million which he'd publicly opposed until exposed on his death, to say nothing of a massive art collection usually only acquired by pilfering Nazis and GIs during World Wars. His "legacy" was a gerrymandered Holyrood which was designed to ensure the SNP could never, ever win a majority in it. He typified Labour arrogance that the Scots were there to be exploited & treated for fools - forgetting Lincoln's maximum... Henry McLeish: Another careerist who couldn't have cared less about the "working class", who crawled his way up the party ranks via the usual Labour old boys network of cushy council jobs and Trade Union backing. Being caught on the fiddle & having to resign was almost a kindness, as everything he ever touched turned to shit. Jack McConnell: Pissed a fortune up the wall in a hair brained bid to host the European Championships as an egoboo, signed a cooperation agreement with a vicious African regime at the time Amnesty was telling governments to give them a GYTF, in fact did everything but pay attention to what was happening in Scotland - and then wondered thereafter why he lost the election. Wendy Alexander: Possibly the greatest moment of hilarity Scottish politics had enjoyed for years & the first moment even the most blinkered began to realise they were but a London vassal. The party was essentially told to elect her as leader - "or else!" - despite her notoriety for rubbing just about everyone the wrong way. She was given a very easy ride by Salmond [fnrrr!] owing to his predilection for academically clever women, or because he knew she'd merrily destroy herself - which she duly did, as she had the social skills and manners of a child brought up by wolves. Even her brother Dougie publicly conceded to journalists she was impossible to work with. The "Henry The Hungry Caterpillar" moment left her a permanent laughing stock, & crystalised in many the lasting memory of a spoilt middle class brat frightenly out of touch with a party she intended to rule - not lead - & despised by the public. Like McLeish, it was a finance scandal that officially finished her, but you have to wonder whether her own side set her up in order to be rid of her. Iain Grey: Careerist Labourite of the Dewar/McLeish/McConnell mode who saw a cushy job for life without ever having to break any real sweat: epitomised by the April 11th Subway incident, When someone like Sean Clerkin - the thinking man's Peter Dow - makes a fanny of you, time to quit politics (especially when Annabelle Goldie had stood her ground the month before). He was a typical bumbling Scottish Labour incompetent, ten-a-penny. Johann Lamont : Atypical Labour Co-Op scum (less an alliance as Labour's very own freemasonry for pretend lefties to exploit the more moronic reflex vote areas of the UK) who rose to prominence like Rosie Kane on playing the "Wimmin" card to detract from her manifest failings, her lack of any local government experience & clumsiness outside of a completely docile audience made her an early Christmas gift not merely for the SNP but for every other party in Scotland. Were it not for "Shagger" Sheridan's very public hanging out to dry, she'd probably have gone down as a political footnote as the Labour candidate who lost them one of their safest Holyrood first-past-the-post seats. Instead she was the bumbling incompetent so bad her own party sidelined her during the Independence vote, having already proven to be a complete trainwreck during the Grangemouth crisis - where what ought to have been a disaster for the SNP government ended up a minor triumph for Salmond being seen as having rescued something from a Labourite instigated farrago. Since resigning, she's all but blamed plotting by her successor for her downfall - the truth is she largely brought it all on herself. Jim Murphy: If Davros had chosen to make politicians instead of Daleks, he'd have come up with Jim Murphy. This oozing repulsive reptilian creature even manages to trump Wendy in the sociopathic stakes, and like her is a hard right Tory at heart. Where he and Wendy diverge is in the fascistic element both share, the "sit down, shut up, know your place" mindset Labour careerists with their hideous sense of entitlement to Scotland have. Whilst Wendy was more condescending - "I know what's best for you" Miss Jean Brodie mindset - Murphy's is more that he is to be obeyed, or else. He is certainly the most sinister leader Scottish Labour has had. Debatable whether the worst or simply paying the price for other's mistakes, but his Weegie gangster overtones with political opponents has done plenty to make the public convinced that at no costs should he ever be allowed into a position of governmental power for everyone's sakes. I would really have to declare this a dead heat between Alexander, Lamont and Murphy. Each in their own unique way has proven disastrous for Scottish Labour in alienating not merely the public, but a previously compliant press (remember the days the Herald would print any shyte Labour told them without bothering to cross-reference the facts first?) and party members to the extent the previous jewel of the British Labour crown now has less foot soldiers for elections than the Scottish Green Party, let alone the SNP, & cannot even rely on the usual suspects from the 57 varieties of buckled leftie groups to give them "hauners" at election time. They destroyed a party which effectively ruled Scotland unchallenged for fifty years prior and which still dwarfed the SNP in terms of members and resources in merely eight years flat. Truly it takes a special breed to achieve that level of shitgibbonry - & they are that breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I think that's best described as a scathing attack If Davros had chosen to make politicians instead of Daleks, he'd have come up with Jim Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Until next months landslide is confirmed, Iain Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I think Murphy is the logical culmination of all that have come before him. He embodies all the worst elements of his predecessors: faux socialism in front of the cameras, a hard right streak while in the smoky back rooms, a deep authoritarianism, an overwhelming sense of entitlement and, as quite clearly shown for the last six months, a complete inability to actually deliver victory. Thank all the gods and goddesses that at long last his sort are getting hunted on a national level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Social skills and manners of a child brought up by wolves! Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yeah, but Rosie Kane has decent tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Waffen is one of my favourite posters on the Politics forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I've met McConnell before and he was a pretty nice guy. Was in my work buying football boots for his grandson. Let's rule him out. McLeish has the right ideas about football and Dewar gave us devolution. That leaves us Wendy, Iain, Johann and Jim Alexander was a total irrelevance Gray probably was the biggest help to independence supporters forcing the electorate to vote SNP and subsequently giving a referendum Lamont did the No side no favours Honestly my vote goes to Wendy Alexander becuase her entire reign was the epitome of a relevance scramble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 now,now be careful don't want your ego bruised any further, we all know how fragile it is f**k bruising his ego, it's your bruising of basic grammar and punctuation that's the real issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Surely it's got to be Iain Grey? The human mud slide. A truly terrible leader. He had a big poll lead and still watched the SNP gain a majority at Holyrood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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