craigkillie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Assuming the top 24 ranked European teams qualify here's the seeding projection as it stands Pot 1: France*, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, England Pot 2: Portugal, Spain, Croatia, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia Pot 3: Wales, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, Bosnia-Herz Pot 4: Poland, Scotland, Ukraine, The Failed Statelet, Greece, Sweden How have Switzerland gone from being seeded in the WC last year to likely 3rd seeds in the Euros? The seeding at the Euros is done by UEFA coefficient, while the seeding for a World Cup is based on World Rankings. That's a weird selection of teams there - I'm struggling to work out how it has been determined. Russia don't seem to be listed, but I'd imagine they're certainly ranked above lots of the teams listed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The seeding at the Euros is done by UEFA coefficient, while the seeding for a World Cup is based on World Rankings. That's a weird selection of teams there - I'm struggling to work out how it has been determined. Russia don't seem to be listed, but I'd imagine they're certainly ranked above lots of the teams listed there. I took it from a site that is projecting seeding for the world cup qualifying, moving France up to p1 and then ranking the next 23. I didn't realise they use a different ranking system and of course forgot about Russia because they aren't involved in the world cup preliminaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Assuming the top 24 ranked European teams qualify here's the seeding projection as it stands Pot 1: France*, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, England Pot 2: Portugal, Spain, Croatia, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia Pot 3: Wales, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, Bosnia-Herz Pot 4: Poland, Scotland, Ukraine, The Failed Statelet, Greece, Sweden How have Switzerland gone from being seeded in the WC last year to likely 3rd seeds in the Euros? 'Cause their top seeding was due to clever manipulation of the ranking system. Everyone knows their team wasn't good enough to merit that position. Pot 3 seems about right. How on Earth are Romania ranked so highly? England and Belgium ought to feel fortunate to finish above some of the teams in Pot 2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 So if there's a group with a diddy in it then the tie-break between the proper competitive sides would come down to who thrashed the diddy team by the most goals? I prefer a method which allows the tie-break to be based on direct competition between the teams involved. Goal difference causes just as many "moral" problems, if not more. Also, the example you gave about Spain thrashing Bulgaria 6-1 is irrelevant, given that Paraguay finished a point ahead of them. Goal difference was used in the World Cup. Already explained the error...i wasn't using the Spanish result as an example. Where i'm coming from here, is that in example of a three-way tie break, the last sixteen is asking for the best third placed sides. How can a known and executed mutually beneficial result like the 2-2 draw in 2004 be a good thing going into a final match....it renders the other final match obselete. On the flip side, here's another very likely scenario.....back in the days of the 24 team WC, many teams made it through on just two points, or equivalent at that time to a win. Let's say team 1 wins the group, beating all the others 1-0, 2-0 and 3-0, thus finishing with 9 points. The other three cut each other's throats, with the team which lost 3-0 defeating the side who only lost 1-0 to the group winners (the scoreline would be irrelevant, they would automatically finish above them, irrespective of the outcomes of the other two matches). The said 1-0 losers then defeat the 2-0 losers by 1-0, who in turn thrash the 3-0 losers to take second place. The side which thrn finishes bottom, would, in a head to head with the ither 3rds, almost certainly progress....but are prevented from doing so using the group formula. Sporting integrity, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Assuming the top 24 ranked European teams qualify here's the seeding projection as it stands Pot 1: France*, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, England Pot 2: Portugal, Spain, Croatia, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia Pot 3: Wales, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, Bosnia-Herz Pot 4: Poland, Scotland, Ukraine, The Failed Statelet, Greece, Sweden How have Switzerland gone from being seeded in the WC last year to likely 3rd seeds in the Euros? Imagine getting to a finals and landing a group like Romania, Czech Rep and Denmark....WE COULD WIN THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Imagine getting to a finals and landing a group like Romania, Czech Rep and Denmark....WE COULD WIN THIS! Still wouldn't be putting any money on it Are Denmark really the worst team in that Pot 3? How times change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Still wouldn't be putting any money on it Are Denmark really the worst team in that Pot 3? How times change... Would rather play Iceland Bosnia wont even qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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