5 more years of the Tories

[Scary Bear]

As Carter The Unstoppable Sex Machine said after the '92 election at a gig at The Barrowlands - "Fucking Tories won again" *shower of plastic pint glasses full of beer get launched at him* "fucking b*****ds".

The newspapers are mainly owned by horrible right wing b*****ds. They hate Milliband as much as the Daily Record hates the SNP up here. Wasn't easy for Labour when the press are printing hysterical right wing propaganda every day.

Only bright side is the SNP landslide.

Anyway, life goes on...

[SaintZorro]

Bound to result in more deep cuts early in the next parliament.

Suspect they might offer Scotland full fiscal autonomy along with English votes on English laws with a threat of a cut to the Barnett formula if it's not accepted. We will need a strong voice.

[a1974h]

Bound to result in more deep cuts early in the next parliament.

Suspect they might offer Scotland full fiscal autonomy along with English votes on English laws with a threat of a cut to the Barnett formula if it's not accepted. We will need a strong voice.

I'm not so sure, I reckon they are genuinely concerned about Scottish nationalism. If he cuts Barnett formula or goes down that line. It will be the start of the break up of UK

[BerwickMad]

It's probably as much to do with the Tories destroying the Lib Dems than anything else.

[bowmore]

There is a loud voice in the cons with regards to getting rid of Barnett. This might be the term in which it goes.

[Dipped Flake]

SNP seats irrelevant if Tories get a majority, buffoons must have realised the less Labour seats, the more chance of a Tory government. Vote tartan Tories, get real Tories. It was so obvious.

another idiot that can't count

[Dipped Flake]

There is a loud voice in the cons with regards to getting rid of Barnett. This might be the term in which it goes.

I hope so

[YassinMoutaouakil]

Not too bothered tbh.

[Uncle Psychosis]

Anyone pretending that the Scottish polls didn't have an effect on English voting is being pretty dishonest tbh. Labour ran a poor campaign but the meteoric rise of the SNP gave the right-wing press another stick with which to beat Milliband and convinced more than a few English undecideds to go Tory.

Yes, even if all 59 seats had gone Labour the Tories would have still got in, but if all 59 seats had been polling for Labour for the last three months then things down South would have gone differently. How differently is up for debate but the idea that the kicking the Labour party just got in England has absolutely nothing to do with the SNP is ridiculous.

[FuzzyAffro]

Anyone pretending that the Scottish polls didn't have an effect on English voting is being pretty dishonest tbh. Labour ran a poor campaign but the meteoric rise of the SNP gave the right-wing press another stick with which to beat Milliband and convinced more than a few English undecideds to go Tory.

Yes, even if all 59 seats had gone Labour the Tories would have still got in, but if all 59 seats had been polling for Labour for the last three months then things down South would have gone differently. How differently is up for debate but the idea that the kicking the Labour party just got in England has absolutely nothing to do with the SNP is ridiculous.

So its our fault England voted overwhelmingly Tory then is it? Get a fuckin grip of yourself, what do you want us to do shut up and vote Labour just incase we annoy the English? How craven are unionists?

[P45]

I'm pretty happy with the outcome.

[Uncle Psychosis]

So its our fault England voted overwhelmingly Tory then is it? Get a fuckin grip of yourself, what do you want us to do shut up and vote Labour just incase we annoy the English? How craven are unionists?

That's not what I said. People in Scotland are entitled to vote for whoever they want and to say whatever they want. What they're not entitled to do is pretend that they exist in some kind of political vaccuum where what they do doesn't have an effect anywhere else.

[Dunning1874]

That's not what I said. People in Scotland are entitled to vote for whoever they want and to say whatever they want. What they're not entitled to do is pretend that they exist in some kind of political vaccuum where what they do doesn't have an effect anywhere else.

Yes, but it's still Labour's responsibility to combat that and campaign positively to overcome it. Their abject failure to do so cannot be blamed on either the SNP or the Scottish electorate.

[Savage Henry]

It's probably as much to do with the Tories destroying the Lib Dems than anything else.

Yep. The Tories, sad as it is to say, have played a blinder. How much influence the SNP's 56 seats actually has is another question.

The idea that England only voted Tory to keep the rogue Scots out doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. It's like arguing Scotland voted SNP because of the independence movement. Far too simplistic, and actually detrimental to the numerous valid policies the SNP campaigned on.

[SodoffBaldrick]

So its our fault England voted overwhelmingly Tory then is it? Get a fuckin grip of yourself, what do you want us to do shut up and vote Labour just incase we annoy the English? How craven are unionists?

Your lack of logic is astounding.

Who said anything about we should have voted Labour? Voting SNP is without a doubt the best option, however the speculation is about WHAT IF Scotland had voted the way Labour wanted. How would things look then?

[Pull My Strings]

That's not what I said. People in Scotland are entitled to vote for whoever they want and to say whatever they want. What they're not entitled to do is pretend that they exist in some kind of political vaccuum where what they do doesn't have an effect anywhere else.

I think if this is the message which Labour take from the election then they, like you, have missed the point.

[Pull My Strings]

Your lack of logic is astounding.

Who said anything about we should have voted Labour? Voting SNP is without a doubt the best option, however the speculation is about WHAT IF Scotland had voted the way Labour wanted. How would things look then?

I'm sure a lot of us are old enough not to have to speculate as to what 40/50 Scottish Labour MPs in opposition would look like.

[FuzzyAffro]

Your lack of logic is astounding.

Who said anything about we should have voted Labour? Voting SNP is without a doubt the best option, however the speculation is about WHAT IF Scotland had voted the way Labour wanted. How would things look then?

The exact same as they do now

[Ya Bezzer!]

If I was left wing, even left of centre, and English, today I'd be seriously thinking about dismantling both the Labour party and the Liberal Democrats and forming some kind of new party.

Labour and the Liberals have completely failed to provide any kind of alternative to Tory rule and both are now so badly damaged they surely don't have any real political future.

There has to be a real left of centre force in English politics to prevent the break up of Britain in the very near future.

[Urban Gorilla]

Cuts to child benefits and tax credits for working families in order to fund tax cuts for the rich is what they voted for. Hopefully another Indy ref within 5 years