Ivo den Bieman Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Within the context of Labour, even those MPs who previously would have been considered towards the moderate left of the party on economic policy, like Yvette Cooper, are opposed to it. My worry isn't that Jeremy Corbyn is taking time to develop policies, but that there might be no policies forthcoming. In the event of Corbyn proposing some more 'radical' policies, it will be difficult to get the Shadow Cabinet and PLP onside. Labour under Ed Miliband had too little to say to people, and lessons have to be learned from that regardless of who the leader is. Corbyn quite clearly is trying to bypass the PLP with an appeal to the membership, who gave him a huge mandate to develop a platform to the left of Blair and Brown's pro-business contuinuity Thatcherism. Hence it is going to be messy for Labour for a while, and I don't think Corbyn's strategy wil succeed. Trying to recreate the Labour party of the late 1970s with a mixture of wishful thinking and deselection chicanery won't work simply because he doesn't have the time for it to work. A smart Corbyn would be trying to do the heavy lifting for eighteen months-two years, alter the internal dynamic of Labour, and then let someone else take the reins before 2020. Much as he seems a thoughful and polite guy with his heart in the right place, quite clearly he is not a leader, and totally unelectable. I don't think anyone either within or outwith the Labour party saw it becoming quite such a shambles so quickly. And any fix is not easy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Miliband saying he wouldn't work with the SNP appeared to be a huge turn off for folk. 'Yes you can democratically elect who you want but don't expect me to respect the result'. Ignorant, unaware, badly advised tosser. Including in England. It's the good old Labour mistake of not realising the golden rule of politics - Tory voters will vote Tory. They also fail to realise that in England, people don't vote Labour to stop the SNP or to stop Scottish independence, or because the Tories don't stand a chance (which they don't in Scotland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Another internal Labour faction has been launched, calling themselves 'Open Labour'. From what I can decipher from this article, they are essentially attempting to provide an organisational base for the soft-left: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/09/labour-activists-launch-new-group-on-partys-left?CMP=twt_gu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Are the soft lefts moderates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Soft left and hard left? Labour have effectively became eggs is what we're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Are the soft lefts moderates? No they are just the wimps the hard left bully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Soft left = abstaining, fence sitting, pathetic washouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Another internal Labour faction has been launched, calling themselves 'Open Labour'. From what I can decipher from this article, they are essentially attempting to provide an organisational base for the soft-left: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/09/labour-activists-launch-new-group-on-partys-left?CMP=twt_gu Mmmm.. This will end well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The Labour Party and the PLP is beginning to look like a scene out of 'The Life Of Brian'. I think the move to a Corbynite left is their only chance of redemption but there are too many disparate factions. Mandatory deselection* is their only hope. *Sorry, reselection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Someone on Twitter has compiled a list of the performance of Labour in council by-elections since Corbyn became leader. I won't type out constituencies for every region of England London + 3.3% North - 12.9% (NOTE SINGLE CONSTITUENCY) North West -5.5% South East -2.6% Wales +0.1% West Midlands -10.6% Eastern -4.1% East Midlands -5.6% I've included the constituencies in Scotland. Scotland -8.8% Ayr E -7.3% Blantyre -7% Dunfermline -18.7% George Street/Harbour -5.4% Glenroethes West and Kinglassie -9.3% Irvine Valley -6.3% Linlithgow +2.6% Midstocket/Rosemount -11.2% Rosyth -13.2% Sitrling -11.9% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todders Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Which begs the question, what the hell is wrong it the people in Linlithgow??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmadaleKillie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Not sure if you are really interested in Linlithgow labour increase but it is because of this: The regular election contains a very popular tory candidate who is also west lothian provost. However in the by-election the tory candidate wasn't very popular locally so it appears a fair chunk of the provosts unionist supporters went to labour rather than tory for the by-election. I expect the labour vote will drop again for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35220413 Apparently Benn could be given the chop and moved to a portfolio where he agrees with Corbyn.. Whit? Corbyn really is a weak fecker if this happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It will be interesting to note whether or not Jeremy Corbyn chooses to sack Michael Dugher. He is essentially briefing against and opposing Corbyn at every turn, and not making much of an effort to hide it. He is a close ally of Tom Watson, however, which makes him difficult to move without some strife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Wanting to get his top table on defence/foreign affairs to be in agreement with him. Obviously they're the highest profile issues usually so makes sense that he'd want a united front there but I'd imagine it'll just make him more unpopular amongst THE PLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Scenes. https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/684314268024573952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Scenes. https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/684314268024573952 Popcorn out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Who is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Who is he? Zombie drone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 A "Labour Friend of Israel". Is about all I can find of interest on his Wiki page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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