John Lambies Doos Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thornberry to defence seems a bit odd. She's anti-Trident, but party policy is pro-Trident. So we've now got a situation where a pro-Trident party have an anti-Trident shadow defence secretary. It's a mess JMO. Did a pro trident stance get voted through at last conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 It's a mess JMO. Did a pro trident stance get voted through at last conference? They didn't vote on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've never heard of them either and I consider myself to know a wee bit about politics. I know the name of every single labour MP in Scotland for example. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thornberry to defence seems a bit odd. She's anti-Trident, but party policy is pro-Trident. So we've now got a situation where a pro-Trident party have an anti-Trident shadow defence secretary. Tristram Hunt in Labour seems a bit odd to me. Swings and roundabouts eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thornberry to defence seems a bit odd. She's anti-Trident, but party policy is pro-Trident. So we've now got a situation where a pro-Trident party have an anti-Trident shadow defence secretary. Hardly as weird as having an anti-trident leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 How come being so right wing that you believe in austerity and killing Syrian civilians makes you a moderate and the ones who believe that pushing the poorest people in society to the point of starvation and suicide is wrong are the ones with the 'extreme' views....its that sort of labelling which shows how totally untrustworthy our media is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://linkis.com/www.thecanary.co/201/CGcMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The glorious thing about this is that there's no way Corbyn will fall on his sword. It'll take about 300 stabs by the rapidly collapsing party to oust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 If you were to have sat down on September 20th 2014 and wrote out a list of bad things you would like to see happen to Labour after their toadying to the Tories in the Referendum campaign, I doubt you'd have got close to the current level of clusterfuck. There's been bad news almost every day. Isn't it great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 If you were to have sat down on September 20th 2014 and wrote out a list of bad things you would like to see happen to Labour after their toadying to the Tories in the Referendum campaign, I doubt you'd have got close to the current level of clusterfuck. There's been bad news almost every day. Isn't it great? I'm only disappointed that chief c***s cockeyed Gordon "your kids will die in an independent Scotland" Brown and Lord Darling jumped ship before it hit the iceberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 He clearly wanted to punish people who voted against him in the 'free vote' or people who haven't silently followed what the Glorious Leader has done and said but then realised he couldn't get rid of who he wanted to without rebellion by moderate members he wanted to keep. He's not punishing folk for voting against his stance, he's punishing them for acting like bell-ends whilst doing it. The question to the PM from the Labour guy was dreadful. It was clearly designed to humiliate corbyn and was happy to suck the cock of a Tory PM in order to do it. Get them to f**k. The thing that the Blairites don't seem to realise is that corbyn has nothing to lose. He's in a position he never expected and he's not really bothered about his career - or even his reputation to an extent (which is pretty much set as the left wing rebel that overturned blairism in the Labour party). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 He's not punishing folk for voting against his stance, he's punishing them for acting like bell-ends whilst doing it. The question to the PM from the Labour guy was dreadful. It was clearly designed to humiliate corbyn and was happy to suck the cock of a Tory PM in order to do it. Get them to f**k. The thing that the Blairites don't seem to realise is that corbyn has nothing to lose. He's in a position he never expected and he's not really bothered about his career - or even his reputation to an extent (which is pretty much set as the left wing rebel that overturned blairism in the Labour party). I don't think the Red Tories can comprehend the notion of a Labour leader who isn't career-driven. The party needs to just die or split - having this kind of joke fulfilling the role of the opposition is unhealthy. The U.K. is a one party state, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The question to the PM from the Labour guy was dreadful. It was clearly designed to humiliate corbyn and was happy to suck the cock of a Tory PM in order to do it. Get them to f**k. Exactly. The guy was an absolute dick and was insinuating that by expressing the opinion that the west was in some way responsible for ISIS, that they were in effect absolving the terrorists. Which is utter nonsense, a primary school opinion. It's quite ok to say terrorists bad and warmongering world leaders also bad. Only in 'moderate' labour land does criticising our role in needless wars = terrorist sympathising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Keith Vaz has deleted his twitter account. Wouldn't normally look too much into something like this, but with Vaz you never know. Labour's troubles to get even worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Apparently Pat McFadden was sacked because of these comments in the wake of the Paris attacks. ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1452067891.764870.jpg The person they put in front of cameras this morning to defend Corbyns position on this was McDonell, a man in the public mind associated with Provisional IRA support. Its a politics that works well for young urban liberals but will have little traction traditional Labour heartlands that tend to be pretty socially conservative and go with Labour for economic reasons. Out of an electorate of about 30.6 million Labour will need near 36% of the vote so increasing its vote from 9.3million to just over 11 million. The LDs 2.4 million is likely their core vote, they are going to be pushing to eat into the Labour vote from the disaffected right of the party. Not in a big way but there is little option for a swing there. The UKIP 3.8 million is more fluid. Much of that came from Labour, but immigration, Islamist terrorism and international security very likely to remain high on the agenda. Home affairs and defense are really not likely to look strong to those attracted to UKIP under Corbyn. They could collapse but its going to take something special to tempt those who went kipper back. The SNP picked up 1.5 million votes. There are a few marginals that could swing back SNP\Lab, though round here that may be high treason to even think. Greens picked up about 1.1 million votes. Some of those can come back in the marginals so this may swing more seats than the % of voters. This is probably the most fertile ground for votes from a Corbyn led Labour. But it is mighty slim pickings. Many greens are pretty ideologically comitted (I have been on enough environmental protests to just how hard core some of them are) but there will be alot of softness around the edges of their vote. Lucas is a huge asset though. This leaves the First Order with its 11.3 million votes. Somewhere between 0.5 and 1 million of those have to come over to Labour (or twice that number of non voters emerge, but non voters tend to be pretty resilient non voters). What policies on the economy, defense, crime, immigration or even welfare does Corbyn have that will temp close to 1 million people who voted Tory back to Labour in 2020? His front team is people like Abbot, McDonnell, Thornberry (jesustittyfuckingchrist Thornberry in defense. God its woeful) and that ilk. These are not people who can come striding out after a terrorist attack and connect with swing voters in Stevenage or Warwick. When North Korea detonates a nuclear bomb these are people who will go down well in Goldsmiths Student Union. Maybe even in Brighton or Islington, but will they sound like people who can defend and protect the UK in places like Bath, Swindon or Carlisle? The maths does not add up for me. Its not that a far left leader could not take Labour and run a storming campaign. But they would need to be able to look like they cared about the things that people in the forgotten provincials towns in the English midlands and the suburbs the major cities care about. Not the dinner parties of central London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Apparently Vaz's Facebook has been deleted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Something seems to have changed in a lot of the old Labour heartlands outside Scotland. I've seen quite a lot of people I thought would have been "Labour for life" working class types sharing all kinds of media-led stuff about never voting for a terrorist-sympathiser like Corbyn. Sadly, whilst Scotland abandoned New Labour for a left wing alternative, a lot of English regions seem to want a further right alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Exactly. The guy was an absolute dick and was insinuating that by expressing the opinion that the west was in some way responsible for ISIS, that they were in effect absolving the terrorists. Which is utter nonsense, a primary school opinion. It's quite ok to say terrorists bad and warmongering world leaders also bad. Only in 'moderate' labour land does criticising our role in needless wars = terrorist sympathising. In fairness vast swathes of the Daily Mail reading Tories, many (most?) of the halfwits who are now supporting UKIP and even sections of the Social Democrats will hold a similar view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The person they put in front of cameras this morning to defend Corbyns position on this was McDonell, a man in the public mind associated with Provisional IRA support. No he's not. I hope I didn't miss much with the rest of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Something seems to have changed in a lot of the old Labour heartlands outside Scotland. I've seen quite a lot of people I thought would have been "Labour for life" working class types sharing all kinds of media-led stuff about never voting for a terrorist-sympathiser like Corbyn. No champ. If the public in Scotland ever got the idea that the SNP were terrorist sympathisers they would be in deep trouble here as well. Salmond\Sturgeon have managed the message around things like Islamist attacks pretty close to the kind of postion Miliband took. Corbyn has appointed IRA sympathiser McDonnell to be his point man. How long do you think any party in Scotland would last with this as the opinion of their no2? It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA." He later said that the "deaths of innocent civilians in IRA attacks is a real tragedy, but it was as a result of British occupation in Ireland. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.[12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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