jmothecat Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He would rightfully been slagged off for being a hypocrite if he had sang it. A republican singing "Long may she reign over us" ffs? He did the right thing, stood up, looked sombre in memory of the airmen, and remained silent. If he crawls through all the hoops the utterly livid establishment have set up for him in toadying fashion, he won't last till Christmas. If he stands by his principles while making reasonable pragmatic compromises he has a chance. Singing God save the Queen wasn't one of them, there would have been cartoons in the Torygraph and Mail tomorrow taking the pish, as there will be anyway. Being a hypocrite isn't that bad. Probably harder to get terrible headlines from 'politician is a hypocrite' really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He would rightfully been slagged off for being a hypocrite if he had sang it. A republican singing "Long may she reign over us" ffs? He did the right thing, stood up, looked sombre in memory of the airmen, and remained silent. If he crawls through all the hoops the utterly livid establishment have set up for him in toadying fashion, he won't last till Christmas. If he stands by his principles while making reasonable pragmatic compromises he has a chance. Singing God save the Queen wasn't one of them, there would have been cartoons in the Torygraph and Mail tomorrow taking the pish, as there will be anyway.Agreed. The media give him negative press whatever he does. Better for him to stick to his principles. The Wallopers who believe everything the media reports will have it in for him. Normal people will probably warm to his alternative style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Hopefully corbyn has the courage of his convictions to come out and say he didn't sing at as its a load of shite he doesn't subscribe to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Disagree completely that he was being a dick. If he was giving it the James McLean and drawing attention to himself you would have a point but he stood respectively. However, having watched Sturgeon painfully mumble the dirge last week, it does seem like there isn't much harm in playing along for the sake of political expediency. There are a lot of Britnat morons that he has to convince that he is prime minister material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You misunderstand me. James McLean has a genuine distaste for the anthem/flag etc. Corbyn was simply showing his respect in a different way. If Corbyn had turned around and refused to face the flag or whatever then it would be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You misunderstand me. James McLean has a genuine distaste for the anthem/flag etc. Corbyn was simply showing his respect in a different way. If Corbyn had turned around and refused to face the flag or whatever then it would be an issue. James McLean was trying to be edgy and feel good about himself. Corbyn didn't sing it because it's a point of principle. There are hundred of posters on here who would do the same. Possibly the majority of us. It's a complete non issue, which yet again shows the political establishment in completely out of step with the public. I can't believe the SNP would be daft enough to make any comment on this. Other than, of course, that Corbyn is echoing their policy. The fact that Labour backbenchers are complaining about him is frankly bewildering, and suggests they have learned nothing. Corbyn is speaking for swathes of the population. More power to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Being a hypocrite isn't that bad. Probably harder to get terrible headlines from 'politician is a hypocrite' really. A very pertinent point. It's almost better to be seen as hypocritical than principled in this day and age. Right across the political spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 If he sung the media would've called him a hypocrite. He stands still, accused of showing no respect. No chance for the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 The media is desperately trying to attack Corbyn in much the same way they're doing to Trump, but both seem impervious. Which suggests the contempt the majority of the population have for the media in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Putting Trump and Corbyn in the same sentence deserves compulsory euthanasia imo. In a tolerant and liberal kind of way of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 With dwindling sales and what happened in Scotland in May despite the best attempts of most of the press, is the influential reach of newspapers on the wane? I know there will always be sheeple who lap up what is being fed to them, but are the electorate slowly waking up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I have to say fide. I like this no shit and maximum piss take version of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Was a very good tactic asking questions from the "public"Cameron couldnt be seen to not be answering thus couldnt get the attacks in,but at some point he has to start asking about policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 An open letter to Blairite MPs https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/jeremy-gilbert/were-better-off-without-each-other-open-letter-to-blairite-mps#.Vfl3QYJ_vxw.twitter "We're better off without each other" - an open letter to Blairite MPs Jeremy Gilbert 16 September 2015 The Labour party isn't getting back in its box, and Blairite MPs won't get the careers they want from it anymore. Dear Blairite MP, I’m writing on behalf of hundreds of thousands of Labour party members; some new, and some, like me, who have been loyal party members throughout our adult lives. I’m not writing to any one of you in particular. The ones I’m addressing will know who they are. It’s time to talk about us. Come on now. We all know this was never much of a relationship. We never really liked you, and you certainly never liked us. The whole New Labour project was based on effectively creating a new party, which as far as possible just ignored the old structures of branch meetings and conference resolutions. The leadership spoke to the membership of this new partly directly, via a sympathetic media, while minimising opportunities for members to talk to each other. Key decisions like the revision of Clause 4 and the election of a leader were made via postal ballots, with almost no deliberative discussion or campaigning. A plebiscitary model replaced the old, complex party democracy. Members were a passive body who were expected to ratify leadership decisions, make regular contributions, perhaps help to get the vote out at elections, and otherwise remain silent. ‘Activist’was a term of abuse. In this new party, the career success of an MP depended almost entirely on how well they could perform a very particular role, always staying ruthlessly on-message, embodying in dress, posture and vocal manner a kind of vaguely classless aspirational culture largely modelled on the behaviour of upper-middle management in the City, or the more conservative media and PR companies. Tony Blair was the template and Peter Mandelson the ultimate arbiter of success: the chief casting-director of the permanent performance which was New Labour. You were great at playing this role. Unfortunately, that part has been written out of the script now. So why not move on, eh? Some of you, we know, really do remain committed to a particular moral vision of meritocratic free-market capitalism, in which social inequality is tolerated - even encouraged - but equality of opportunity is enabled; provided that the only opportunities anyone asks for are those offered by the corporate financial and media sectors (or perhaps, at a stretch, the less political sections of the voluntary sector). Those of you who really do adhere to that as a moral vision, however limited, should of course stay and fight for what you believe in. So should those members of other tendencies who have genuinely-held beliefs which don’t happen to coincide fully with those of the new leadership. But many of you don’t. Instead you simply accept, as you always have done, that there is nothing worth knowing or caring about beyond the world of the corporate elite, its assumptions and its interests, and you have yourselves sought a route to prosperity and advancement in the service of that elite: a route which happens to have taken the form of becoming a Labour MP. The thing is - and we know this is hard for you to take on at first -that route is closed for now, and doesn’t look likely to open up again any time soon. The members have returned en masse, and we’re not getting back in our boxes any times soon, no matter what happens to Jeremy Corbyn and his leadership. Being a Labour MP just isn’t going to be a good way to serve, and then join, the global elite class any more. Because- let’s be honest - if you really ask yourself, isn’t it true that that’s what you were really hoping for out of this job? It’s nothing to be ashamed of. You wanted a way into the upper reaches of the professional classes, and becoming an MP is still frankly more interesting and a bit more glamorous than just working your way up through the City or the commercial media. It’s a career path that even carries with it a decent enough chance of following Blair and others to the heights of the global, billionaire-befriending, super-elite; and if not that, then at least to some Bilderberg meetings, or Davos. Nobody can blame you. You’ve done nothing illegal. Mostly. But it’s not going to be like that any more. You’re going to be under increasing pressure from a membership whose values and priorities you have never shared, and a corporate class which will become increasingly irritated by your inability to pacify that membership. There is no mechanism for you just to get rid of Corbyn, however badly he may perform, and even if he goes, the membership are just going to be looking for a younger and more dynamic model of basically the same thing. It’s going to be a dreadful bore for you. At best, if you stay on in this job, you’ll have to join your political - but not spiritual -allies, the remnants of the old Labour Right, with all their dogged loyalty to party traditions and their tedious personal integrity, committing yourselves to the gruelling task of just being a good constituency MP for many years. At worst you’re going to face embarrassing re-selection battles and the derision of your Tory counterparts. You know from the experience of New Labour that a whole new party formation can be created in a very short time. This is exactly what’s happening now. Against all expectations, Labour is transforming into a mass democratic socialist party. Whatever happens to that party, it isn’t going to change back into the one you had a home in. So why not save us all the pain? Why not just move on? Follow your heroes David Miliband and Alan Milburn into the corporate end of the NGO sector or the private healthcare industry. Take up those City consultancies. Become a TV historian. Let someone who actually wants the job of being a Labour MP in this new party take it up. Avoid the conflict and the mess and the mutual recrimination. We’ll be better off without each other. Best of Luck, Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Aparently he needs to get on one knee and kiss the queens hand to get £6million for the party? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If he sung the media would've called him a hypocrite. He stands still, accused of showing no respect. No chance for the man. Why would anyone expect a committed lifelong bitter Republican to respect our National Anthem. Was anyone really THAT surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Why would anyone expect a committed lifelong bitter Republican to respect our National Anthem. Was anyone really THAT surprised. So he's bitter BECAUSE he doesn't believe in having a monarch? Dear christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Why would anyone expect a committed lifelong bitter Republican to respect our National Anthem. Was anyone really THAT surprised. Does your servility never bother you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 So he's bitter BECAUSE he doesn't believe in having a monarch? Dear christ. Anyone who is "one ae them" is bitter in the bigoted world of RedRob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Why would anyone expect a committed lifelong bitter Republican to respect our National Anthem. Was anyone really THAT surprised.^^ committed lifelong bitter royalist Britnat.Can I ask what it is about republicanism that you so dislike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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