madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Except the snp have a stance whereby they don't vote on laws which only affect England and they expect that only Scottish representatives should vote on matters which only affect Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 They don't only effect England though. It effects Wales too. I think the SNP have taken that off the table after the Scotland Bill fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Seems hypocritical to me, and I'm an snp member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It is. But it's in the interest of the British People(as in most don't want it changed), and like it or not that means the SNP have a duty, as Members of Parliament to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 'Scotland shouldn't leave the UK, we should seek to lead the UK'. No, no not like that, what we meant was ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So what has fox hunting in England to do with Scotland? It's fucking horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Except the snp have a stance whereby they don't vote on laws which only affect England and they expect that only Scottish representatives should vote on matters which only affect Scotland. Well this one affects England & Wales so it doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 By voting on this it gives more weight to arguments for EVEL. I was thinking that initially as well. It's clear the Tories will try and push through EVEL anyway so I'm not sure it actually matters from that perspective. It will be interesting if the others see it as a bad thing that the SNP will vote on English Laws or if actually they might see it as an opportunity to have more people voting with them on things. Could go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Well this one affects England & Wales so it doesn't count. Ffs just add "and Wales" after England then. The point is we imo we should stick to our principles and not vote on laws which do not concern Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Could be a masterstroke from Sturgeon and the gang. The Tories' having been using the 'Westminster Question' (England's 600ish MPs to our 59) to moon us ever since the GE triumph of the SNP. They can get it up them as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, like the guy above says, No Borders an aw that. Better Together. Union dividend etc etc... Roll on #indyref2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I was thinking that initially as well. It's clear the Tories will try and push through EVEL anyway so I'm not sure it actually matters from that perspective. They had to push EVEL into next session because some of their backbenchers weren't going to support it. This raises the possibility that some of those backbenchers could change their mind after watching Scottish MPs decide English (AND WELSH) policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ffs just add "and Wales" after England then. The point is we imo we should stick to our principles and not vote on laws which do not concern Scotland. How about the principle that fox hunting is a disgrace in a civilised society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Of course it is. But that's for the people who will have to live under the law to decide surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Of course it is. But that's for the people who will have to live under the law to decide surely. Apparently not or English MPs wouldn't have been able to vote down every proposed amendment to the Scotland Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ok this is just going round in circles. For me, we should stick to our principles no matter what "the other side" have done rather than breaking those principles to make a (petty imo) point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Ok this is just going round in circles. For me, we should stick to our principles no matter what "the other side" have done rather than breaking those principles to make a (petty imo) point I don't agree, fox hunting is abhorrent and the opportunity to outlaw it, no matter where, should be taken. I would have made it a free vote based on conscience though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So what has fox hunting in England to do with Scotland? It's fucking horrible. They just want to change the rules to those the SNP Government allow in Scotland. Why would the SNP vote against that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Isn't it the case that the "rules" are, more or less, already in line with Scotland? The only difference being that you can only use a pack of two (?) dogs when flushing out foxes in E&W. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, if you're going to kick up a fuss and vote on English and Welsh laws (the media seem keen to forget about Wales because it doesn't fit the "SNP = anti-English) then you might as well vote on a non-issue like this. Symbolic without having any real impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Isn't it the case that the "rules" are, more or less, already in line with Scotland? The only difference being that you can only use a pack of two (?) dogs when flushing out foxes in E&W. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, if you're going to kick up a fuss and vote on English and Welsh laws (the media seem keen to forget about Wales because it doesn't fit the "SNP = anti-English) then you might as well vote on a non-issue like this. Symbolic without having any real impact. Is it a non-issue? I'd argue that it represents more of a principled stance than any opposition to EVEL, which I suspect the SNP are probably in favour of anyway. I take the point that its symbolic legislation, but I'd like to think there's a moral stance being taken here - hence the lack of a free vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm glad the SNP have decided to vote on this. It's morally the right thing to do, whether it affects Scotland or not, so I applaud them for it. I do find it funny, that almost in unison the SNP MPs were on twitter last night saying how they were all 'delighted' to be voting against, yet not so long ago they were giving the 'doesn't affect Scotland' line. Are they not allowed to use their own brain on these issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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