Ira Gaines Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm happy that the SNP have shown that they can be a force for good and that they aren't an irrelevance, but they deserve every bit of shit thrown at them. Think they need to accept that and get on with it. If they can continue to make an impact, who'll care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm a paid up SNP member and voter, and think they've scored a sizeable own goal to their rightful position on EVEL. What do you think they've gained? I honestly don't care about EVEL and I don't particularly care if the right view the SNP as hypocrites. The SNP did pledge not to vote on English matters at a time when the English parties were pledging to push through meaningful devolution for Scotland. The landscape has changed and it's up to the SNP to adapt to that as they see fit. I'd imagine they've gained admirers across the UK. Those of a progressive persuasion will be realising that the SNP can be a positive force and someone a minority left of centre party in England ought to work with. Those of a right-wing persuasion will be smashing their fists on the table about bloody Jocks. It's up to the likes of Labour to decide who they should try and appeal to next time a hung parliament looks possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Boom boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It's a simple argument to make. You respect the SNP majority and clear mandate to implement the Smith Commission in full with additional amendments and we'll allow you to rip foxes to bits with dogs, if that's what you really want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm quite interested to see the OP's next contribution to this thread. No doubt a retraction and fulsome praise to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm a paid up SNP member and voter, and think they've scored a sizeable own goal to their rightful position on EVEL. What do you think they've gained? What have they lost ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 What have they lost ? Honesty as a party. Thankfully every party is the same, but I'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Honesty as a party. Thankfully every party is the same, but I'm disappointed. So they haven't lost anything then ? They're highlighting the hypocrisy of the Tories bleating on about EVEL whilst English MPs vote on Scottish laws. Good on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 They've lost an insignificant sentimental aspect I suppose. They've not lost anything real. If anything, they may have gained a lot of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 What have they lost ? Credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm all for fox hunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 They're highlighting the hypocrisy Where have the Tories been hypocrites here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Load of pish, shame they haven't more important things to squabble over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I don't think the SNP give a flying f**k about foxes, they saw the chance to score a cheap political point and couldn't resist. Cringeworthy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Credibility. In what respect? Given how the SNP amendments to the Scotland bill have been defeated by trooping scores of MPs out of the bar come time to vote, the fact that Smith isn't even being implemented in full and generally the way they think they can afford to ignore the SNP, it's a good reminder that the SNP can still force the odd issue and that 'respect' is a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Where have the Tories been hypocrites here? No point conversing with you.... Busted Flush. You are Mr hypocrisy after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 In what respect? Sturgeon (Feb 2015) :- "The SNP have a longstanding position of not voting on matters that purely affect England - such as foxhunting south of the border for example - and we stand by that" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Except the snp have a stance whereby they don't vote on laws which only affect England and they expect that only Scottish representatives should vote on matters which only affect Scotland. There is an issue with hunts in the Borders. I can imagine that policing/managing hunt that goes across the border could pose a few problems - to be bluntly honest - unmanageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I don't agree, fox hunting is abhorrent and the opportunity to outlaw it, no matter where, should be taken. I would have made it a free vote based on conscience though. Jesus - what's happening - I am in complete agreement with Parp again. It should have been left as a free vote - if all 56 did vote against then fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I don't think the SNP give a flying f**k about foxes, they saw the chance to score a cheap political point and couldn't resist. Cringeworthy stuff. Have to agree with this, there will no shortage of Scots cringing about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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