1320Lichtie Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Did the SNP not get more votes this time than they did when they had their overall majority? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, philyerboots said: Not looking good for the Yessers. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/support-for-independence-dwindles-thrksjtt9 Well, the headline question is margin of error stuff, what we can say is that the pro Indy base remains entirely resilient. On the when to have a referendum question, there are a couple of things that stick out: 1) There is a definite pollster house effect: Panelbase and YouGov are wildly divergent in terms of these numbers, ranging from YG's 1/3 in favour of a referendum in 5 years, and PB which show's a near 50% in favour. 2) More interestingly, the number of people who would vote Yes in a referendum massively leads the number of people who want a referendum. Indeed, the same phenomenon occurs on the Brexit question where there is no majority for a 2nd referendum (according to Ashcroft's latest) but there is a majority for a remain vote - how does it make sense then, on Brexit (and indeed Indy) that you have people who've changed their mind about the result but don't want to ultimately express that changed sentiment? Fact is no one wants referendums, if you ask them, but they'll vote in them if you have one. Ultimately the question of whether to have a referendum has little bearing on the outcome of the referendum once set, at which point voters minds will concentrate n the question in front of them. With that in mind, there is nothing in that dataset to be miserable about from a Yes perspective. Edited January 17, 2018 by renton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: The election where the SNP lost their overall majority, is that the one you mean Pep? You’d hardly call it a ringing endorsement going forward eh? Who won Wes? For the what 8th time in a row. Democracy babe, suck it up x 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Who won Wes? For the what 8th time in a row. Democracy babe, suck it up x How do you know Wes is Robs name fuzzy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Peppino Impastato said: Who won Wes? For the what 8th time in a row. Democracy babe, suck it up x How do you know Wes is Robs name fuzzy? I don't, its my pet name for Wes. As in craven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It's a funny point that we're at now politically. Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing. And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading. It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference. And so they do nothing at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I don't, its my pet name for Wes. As in craven. The late successful, award winning, groundbreaking Director, Producer & Writer? I’ll take it. I’ve been called a lot worse on here![emoji6] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It's a funny point that we're at now politically. Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing. And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading. It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference. And so they do nothing at all. It's embarrassing, Scotland is merely a region of England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 55 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: It's a funny point that we're at now politically. Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing. And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading. It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference. And so they do nothing at all. It's embarrassing, Scotland is merely a region of England. That is officially the position of the UK government. They had a legal opinion written in 2014 stating that in 1707 the kingdom of Scotland was dissolved and the kingdom of England renamed the united kingdom. Obviously in anticipation of a potential yes vote so they could try to make us leave with no assets or whatever. Still disgusting though. Just watched Theresa may responding to the SNP in pmqs a minute ago. The utter contempt she showed for the aspirations of our entire country was genuinely nauseating and surpassed only in recent memory by George Osborne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Aberdeen Press & Journal 1929. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah, 78% of Scotland's income was being kept by London at that point. When people started to get angry about this they simply stopped publishing the figures m. Scotland has been being stolen from by London for 300 years. We subsidise them. It continues to this day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 From having to take a share of England's debt in 1707 to North sea oil we've been subsidising England for 300 years. We're just a colony to be exploited and stolen from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Ah the “Scotland is a colony” claim. *kisses fingers at the discourse* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Ah the “Scotland is a colony” claim. *kisses fingers at the discourse* A colony is defined as 'a territory controlled entirely by another'. If events in the commons the night before last don't illustra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Ah the “Scotland is a colony” claim. *kisses fingers at the discourse* Just how can the truth be a "claim"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Scotland has an active political participation in the Westminster parliament and quite a substantial level of its autonomy. I’m sure the sons and daughters of the Mau Mau rebels are saying prayers for the poor oppressed citizens of Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Scotland has an active political participation in the Westminster parliament and quite a substantial level of its autonomy. I’m sure the sons and daughters of the Mau Mau rebels are saying prayers for the poor oppressed citizens of Scotland. Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas? Take your time champ. By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas? Take your time champ. By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not. Well Scotland twice decided how much autonomy it wanted in two separate referendums “champ”. There’s a big difference between a colony and a region “champ”. We were active participants in colonising the British Empire mates particularly just across the water mates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd String Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas? Take your time champ. By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not. Colony sounds about right. Surely you can accept that is exactly what Scotland deserves. We are just the poor cousins of the rest of the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Well Scotland twice decided how much autonomy it wanted in two separate referendums “champ”. There’s a big difference between a colony and a region “champ”. We were active participants in colonising the British Empire mates particularly just across the water mates. Yeah we voted for a parliament first time and were cheated out of it by labour, then we were lied to by labour the second time about how much autonomy would come with a no vote. Not much choice being active participants when you're a colony champ, we weren't making the decisions. Scotland fits the description of a colony perfectly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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