BFTD Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Antlion said: Tbh, if you believe he’s a socialist, I have a bridge to sell you. I’ve never met a socialist quite so enamoured of Toryism, and keen on condemning everyone and everything as wicked capitalists except the Tories (and Brexit, of course, which he only became glad of when - quelle surprise - it officially became the Tories’ pet project). Being an actual socialist generally requires more than occasionally remembering to say “up the workers” in between bouts of “SNP BAD!”, “Starmer bad”, “Scottish independence bad”, and “EU bad”. TBF, a willingness to attack anyone even remotely close to your position (but not close enough) is a stereotype of left-leaning politics. It's an open joke among conservatives, who love people like H_B doing their job for them. But yeah, he seems more enamoured with being seen to be clever than with any particular ideology. 6 hours ago, Zern said: Question is, for those who disagree with even having a referendum, unless UK tells you it is ok, is what happens if it is ruled legal by the courts but is still opposed by the UK government. Boycott or participate? It's been really clear for some time that the plan is no referendum agreement until support for independence drops and, if you throw one in the meantime, demand a boycott. Wonder where they picked up that idea. Democracy's great until there's a chance you might lose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 20 hours ago, AndyM said: Those daft lassies have more guts and principles than any of the pissed up, far right filth that spent 2 hours screaming at them in George Square that night. The daft wee lassies shouldn't have been running about annoying those enjoying their celebratory festivities. If Yes were to win a referendum (no sniggering at the back) then the last thing I'd want wee girls doing is turning up at George Square waving Union Jacks. You're asking for trouble. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 On the question of rejoining the EU, don't forget one really significant issue that will weigh heavily on the minds of European leaders... The opportunity to deliver a massive GIRFUY to Westminster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Snafu said: Ok I'll nibble. Why would the presence of woman be asking for trouble at a yes vote celebration? A nibble? Kinky stuff! I don’t think the presence of women is asking for trouble at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Duries Air Freshener said: The daft wee lassies shouldn't have been running about annoying those enjoying their celebratory festivities. If Yes were to win a referendum (no sniggering at the back) then the last thing I'd want wee girls doing is turning up at George Square waving Union Jacks. You're asking for trouble. Freedom of expression is allowed. The trouble that day was down to one thing only and that was when the UJ nutters turned it into a mini Nurenberg rally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, AndyM said: The trouble that day was down to one thing only and that was when the UJ nutters turned it into a mini Nurenberg rally. tbf, they might just be waving to the camera in their joyous celebrations of warmth and inclusivity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, AndyM said: Freedom of expression is allowed. The trouble that day was down to one thing only and that was when the UJ nutters turned it into a mini Nurenberg rally. Incorrect. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 It's 2022 ffs surely people can have sex with the flag that they want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Regardless of whether or not a referendum actually happens next year (my instinct is that it won't as the outcome will be too close to be confident of it being not just "Yes" but strongly yes), I can't believe anyone is viewing NS's promise of holding one with any degree of certainty. She's promised a referendum "next year" every year since 2015! 2016 surely. In fairness, between 2014 and brexit they didn’t really talk about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Snafu said: Why did you say it was then? I didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 It's been quite sad watching Detournement shift ever further to the right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Empty It said: 12 hours ago, Zern said: That's not every year is it? They were promising one for 2020. That got derailed by COVID. They said they would shelve it until we were through. Which we are. Question is, for those who disagree with even having a referendum, unless UK tells you it is ok, is what happens if it is ruled legal by the courts but is still opposed by the UK government. Boycott or participate? I'm all for the gammon unionists to boycott it.... Me too. When Douglas Ross mentioned boycotting i was delighted. It's a very ill-thought out form of political protest. Every voter who boycotts the poll doesn't get counted at all. This only assists the Yes side in winning by a greater percentage. At least if they participate their objections count for something and the No side would increase their chance of winning. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Zern said: Me too. When Douglas Ross mentioned boycotting i was delighted. It's a very ill-thought out form of political protest. Every voter who boycotts the poll doesn't get counted at all. This only assists the Yes side in winning by a greater percentage. At least if they participate their objections count for something and the No side would increase their chance of winning. It allows the Westminster government to say that the vote is meaningless because unionists didn't take part, and the turnout was so low. Which is exactly what they'll do. It's going to take more than just holding another referendum for independence to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BFTD said: It allows the Westminster government to say that the vote is meaningless because unionists didn't take part, and the turnout was so low. Which is exactly what they'll do. It's going to take more than just holding another referendum for independence to happen. And it would receive zero International recognition, like the Catalan one. If it's a lawful and binding referendum within the constitution then boycott away, of course. Edited June 17, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: And it would receive zero International recognition, like the Catalan one. If it's a lawful and binding referendum within the constitution then boycott away, of course. Well, that's the tricky bit, isn't it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 H_B having a mare as ever.He should just f**k off to Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 8 hours ago, BFTD said: It allows the Westminster government to say that the vote is meaningless because unionists didn't take part, and the turnout was so low. Which is exactly what they'll do. It's going to take more than just holding another referendum for independence to happen. Referendum is just one part of the process of course but non-participation doesn't work if the the legality has been upheld. It only enhances the result for Yes, which isn't a bad thing imo. It makes the political pressure from a majority result more acute, visible and a difficult to dismiss as it is now a matter of public record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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razamanaz Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Allegedly the photo on the front of the white paper is a wind farm in Yorkshire? Strange and weird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Ervin H Burrell said: Superb read. Sensibly covered pretty much every essential point. My two stand out lines. "They have been told the firing gun has been shot, but left on a battleground with nothing but the remnants of the last war they lost. " "You’ll also miss out on the circular economy built around the independence Groundhog Day." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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