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45 minutes ago, WhiteLight said:

I’m a socialist at heart, but sadly voted for Boris on Brexit which I still believe in, but he’s turned it and Covid into a car crash. Tories are not there fir the ordinary man and its a mistake I shall never make again.

I’m now an Anas Sarwar man, but Labour are a shit show UK wise.

As for Sturgeon, teflon and no c**t gets near her politically. Whilst I don't agree with her indy stance and the useless c***s she surrounds herself with, she is every bit the leader and does her job. Fact is the SNP have been in power 14 years and another 5 to go. That says more about us than them, arguing to the contrary is more akin to howling at the moon. 

I can agree with a lot of that but on here especially there's a lot of people that love to say whoever their least favourite Tory is is driving Indy closer and is "doing more for the cause than anyone else could do" which has basically no tangible evidence. It's a coping mechanism for Indy supporters that are already ideologically convinced. A nice wee safety blanket, people will opine on Bojo til the cows come home but the idea that this is a pivotal point that changes peoples opinion on the Union is fairy tale stuff imo. 

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10 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

I can agree with a lot of that but on here especially there's a lot of people that love to say whoever their least favourite Tory is is driving Indy closer and is "doing more for the cause than anyone else could do" which has basically no tangible evidence. It's a coping mechanism for Indy supporters that are already ideologically convinced. A nice wee safety blanket, people will opine on Bojo til the cows come home but the idea that this is a pivotal point that changes peoples opinion on the Union is fairy tale stuff imo. 

Johnson is extremely disliked in Scotland. Amongst ALL the opposition parties and a minority proportion of his own- including the Scottish Tories who see him for what he is- a vote loser. To the extent that they don't want him north of the border at election time.

His stewardship may not be a "pivotal point" in terms that the yes vote is 65% or something, but he's managed to solidify that vote to approaching (or exceed) 50%. When he goes the next leader will be key. If it's a real right winger then it will alienate Scotland more. Johnson is a novelty act. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, speckled tangerine said:

Johnson is extremely disliked in Scotland. Amongst ALL the opposition parties and a minority proportion of his own- including the Scottish Tories who see him for what he is- a vote loser. To the extent that they don't want him north of the border at election time.

His stewardship may not be a "pivotal point" in terms that the yes vote is 65% or something, but he's managed to solidify that vote to approaching (or exceed) 50%. When he goes the next leader will be key. If it's a real right winger then it will alienate Scotland more. Johnson is a novelty act. 

Nippy and Boris are two cheeks of the same fetid arse:  Both incompetent, both supercilious fuckwits and both depending on style over substance.

We - in the leafy and civic-minded SE - all know that Boris has a limited shelf-life and that there are more able people in line to replace him.  Soon, please God!

In the DPRS?  Not so much.  Who comes after Nippy?  Daft Wee Katie?  Swinney?  Humza?

ScotchNatterism depends on a strong Nippy.

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13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Nippy and Boris are two cheeks of the same fetid arse:  Both incompetent, both supercilious fuckwits and both depending on style over substance.

We - in the leafy and civic-minded SE - all know that Boris has a limited shelf-life and that there are more able people in line to replace him.  Soon, please God!

In the DPRS?  Not so much.  Who comes after Nippy?  Daft Wee Katie?  Swinney?  Humza?

ScotchNatterism depends on a strong Nippy.

No decent Englishman would mention Nicola Sturgeon and Boris Johnson in the same sentence, unless he was a bitter Scottish expat, not quite accepted yet.

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18 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Nippy and Boris are two cheeks of the same fetid arse:  Both incompetent, both supercilious fuckwits and both depending on style over substance.

We - in the leafy and civic-minded SE - all know that Boris has a limited shelf-life and that there are more able people in line to replace him.  Soon, please God!

In the DPRS?  Not so much.  Who comes after Nippy?  Daft Wee Katie?  Swinney?  Humza?

ScotchNatterism depends on a strong Nippy.

Who is better than Boris? Midget millionaire gambler and economy fucker Sunak? 
 

No wait, it’s Dougie Ross isn’t it.

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34 minutes ago, speckled tangerine said:

Johnson is extremely disliked in Scotland. Amongst ALL the opposition parties and a minority proportion of his own- including the Scottish Tories who see him for what he is- a vote loser. To the extent that they don't want him north of the border at election time.

His stewardship may not be a "pivotal point" in terms that the yes vote is 65% or something, but he's managed to solidify that vote to approaching (or exceed) 50%. When he goes the next leader will be key. If it's a real right winger then it will alienate Scotland more. Johnson is a novelty act. 

 

 

The whole first paragraph makes it seem like Theresa May or David Cameron were beloved characters that people loved to see across the border....well it doesn't but if you don't accept that that's pretty much the status quo for Tory leaders visiting Scotland rather than the particular individual themselves then you're arguement that Boris himself leads to anything tangible towards Indy is based on hopium. 

I've said countless times that Bojo wont allow a referendum so the centrist sensible pro Indy viewpoint is to hope the next Tory leader is a lil bitch that allows one, the only point I'm countering is the idea that big batty Bojo himself will lead to Indy...

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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Poor show from you, mate.

The Wee Nippy patter from you is well past its sell by date, especially from someone who proudly hails the Scottish Enlightenment. 

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4 minutes ago, SANTAN said:

The whole first paragraph makes it seem like Theresa May or David Cameron were beloved characters that people loved to see across the border...

Theresa May wasn't universally disliked. There was a grudging respect there as she was battling against the Peter Bone types in her party. (Also see J. Major and the "b*****ds") 

Cameron was seen as the Eton entitled p***k ala Johnson, albeit with a bit more nous.

What is the Tory vision for Scotland? The last Scottish election had a leaflet that mentioned no more referendums about 30 times and f**k all policy. Nae c**t's voting a DUP into Government here. 

Thatcher was hated. Too young for Ted Heath. My great grandfather was a gofer for Alec Douglas-Home when he was Secretary of State (and later PM) in St Andrew's House. Lovely man by his own account. "In the wrong party- should be a liberal" he told my mum. That was the early sixties, so that's 60 years plus since the Conservatives resonated in Scotland. 

We don't want them but we're stuck with them ad infinitum.

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4 hours ago, speckled tangerine said:

Apparently, in 2015 Scotland exported 29% of the electricity it generated to England & Wales.

More up to date is this from 2019. The Express can f**k off. (Hiya Tom, Hiya pal)

Scotland exported a record £745m worth electricity last year as wind power increasing becomes the country’s second North Sea Oil.

New official statistics show more than 17,000 gigawatt-hours was transmitted to England and Wales in 2019, more than ever before.

The net exports are so high they would have powered every home in the country for 21 months.

 

What isn't always pointed out is that most of England lives closer to France and Holland than Scotland (England's centre of population is just south of the M1/M6 junction). If they need more energy and need to pay another country for it (rather than UK internal as Scotland's energy counts as, which doesn't affect balance of payments) they can more easily pull it in from the channel interconnectors, and that's before new nuclear and offshore wind comes online.

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1 minute ago, speckled tangerine said:

 

Cameron was seen as the Eton entitled p***k ala Johnson, albeit with a bit more nous.

Dim Dave is certainly the villain of the piece and was the imbecile who got us in to this mess.

Imagine thinking that it would be good idea to allow the possibility of our unitary nation-state being partitioned by a thicket of RA-loving schemies from DunWeegia.

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7 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Some comments go well beyond crap patter.  

Thing is I can't remember you ever criticise a word she's said, just digs about her sex and height, and her effrontery to speak in public. A weak man's worst nightmare, an articulate woman.

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