Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Didn’t this happen in early 2017, prior to the snap GE which saw the SNP lose more than a third of their MPs?Was this May's "Now is not the time" quote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, strichener said: ISBN: 978-1-78412-068-9 Published by the Scottish Government, November 2013. So not only one man's opinion but also the official position of the Government. You asked for an explanation of how Alex Salmond's words had been misinterpreted. I provided that. I'm also aware that the line you quote is from the preamble to "Scotland's Future", not from anywhere within the body of the report. Do you not think that the details of a document carry more import than one line of a limited executive summary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 1 hour ago, git-intae-thum said: Lot of bull being spouted on this thread. The key issue here is a UK prime minister has taken it upon herself to deny our nation the process to democratically decide its own future. It is now clear this is not a temporary withdrawal of permission. This is permanent. Regardless of you having planned to vote yes or no....it is a democratic outrage and a step towards fascism. Some of the above crazies that are defending the UK govts position on this, just because they do not want indepenence need to have a look at themselves. When did the prime minister refuse the request from the First Minister for a new indyref? I seem to have missed this headline news? She didn't refuse the formal request to "begin early discussions between our governments to agree an Order under section 30 of the Scotland Act 1998 that would enable a referendum to be legislated for by the Scottish Parliament." She ignored it. Are you proud of this statesmanlike, courteous response by the leader of Her Majesty's Government? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Was this May's "Now is not the time" quote?I believe so, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 She didn't refuse the formal request to "begin early discussions between our governments to agree an Order under section 30 of the Scotland Act 1998 that would enable a referendum to be legislated for by the Scottish Parliament."She ignored it. Are you proud of this statesmanlike, courteous response by the leader of Her Majesty's Government?It was clear now is not the time was the view of both so no reply was required.If now is the time then write another letter. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: It was clear now is not the time was the view of both so no reply was required. If now is the time then write another letter. Why do you consider the First Minister's clearly stated request to "begin early discussions" is to indicate a view that "now is not the time"? Do you have comprehension problems? Edited March 7, 2019 by lichtgilphead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Rubin Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The Wings Panelbase survey - results partially released today - will have asked the independence question. I'd expect some figures tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Donathan said: There's also the argument that Brexit has already happened, and it may be tricky for Scotland to join the EU as an independent member. The Spaniards for example are particularly wary of setting precedents of ease for breakaway nations so they could be the ones to pull the plug. How many times does it need to be said. The Spaniards are quite happy to allow an independent Scotland into the EU as long as independence is achieved by legal means. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, I'm Brian said: How many times does it need to be said. The Spaniards are quite happy to allow an independent Scotland into the EU as long as independence is achieved by legal means. Its been debunked by the Spaniards themselves on several occassions: Current Spanish administration: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-spain-politics-scotland-idUKKCN1NP25P Previous Spanish administration: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-membership-spain-scotland/ It sounds a good argument in the heads of British nationalists I am sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Even the Daily Mail thinks you're talking shite. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5379521/Britain-pays-retirees-worst-state-pension.html The fact that you read the Daily Mail, believe the Daily Mail and resort to abuse highlights that your avatar is indeed very ironic. Try educating yourself about pensions instead of believing every bit of fake news that you read. Edited March 8, 2019 by Jeremiah Cole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The more underlying issue was that Scots were foreign enough to be denied access to English controlled markets but as subjects of the English crown they were denied access to French and Spanish controlled territory. Darien was a roll of the dice to try and solve this. If Brexit is the straw that breaks the union’s back then there will be a further irony as it was England restricting access to external markets that created it in the first place You talk about markets in a modern day way. What we are really talking about here is that the uber rich in England weren't allowing the uber rich in Scotland to join them in raping and pillaging the rest of the world. Once Darien failed, the uber rich in Scotland gleefully joined with the English in colonising a quarter of the globe and enjoyed the fruits of the slave trade. No amount of revisionism will alter Scotland's active and willing participation in the British empire. To attempt to equate the current modern day political situation in Scotland with the British empire's colonisation and slave trade is despicable. Edited March 8, 2019 by Jeremiah Cole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: You talk about markets in a modern day way. What we are really talking about here is that the uber rich in England weren't allowing the uber rich in Scotland to join them in raping and pillaging the rest of the world. Once Darien failed, the uber rich in Scotland gleefully joined with the English in colonising a quarter of the globe and enjoyed the fruits of the slave trade. No amount of revisionism will alter Scotland's active and willing participation in the British empire. To attempt to equate the current modern day political situation in Scotland with the British empire's colonisation and slave trade is despicable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Apparently Nativism is making inroads into Scottish Nationalism, sad if true. This blog is by a Portuguese guy who married and settled here a few years ago. https://brawblether.com/2019/03/05/nativism-has-no-place-in-civic-nationalism/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Apparently Nativism is making inroads into Scottish Nationalism, sad if true. This blog is by a Portuguese guy who married and settled here a few years ago. https://brawblether.com/2019/03/05/nativism-has-no-place-in-civic-nationalism/ Yep, 3 or so posts on twitter..... it's out of control I tell you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Yep, 3 or so posts on twitter..... it's out of control I tell you. https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1103786971632189442 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The Scottish independence movement, to its credit, has been exemplary in rejecting nativism, imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1103786971632189442 Read the replies, nobody is disagreeing with her. Not one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Our independence movement, like absolutely any sizeable movement, is going to have total arseholes, and it'll be all types of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Read the replies, nobody is disagreeing with her. Not one. https://twitter.com/tongs_ya_bass/status/1103755891885645824 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 So what's the running count now then, 5 posts on twitter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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