Fide Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Following Kezia's display on TV last night, where she said that Labour didn't campaign with the Tories during Indyref and where she described Trident as one of Labour's "bad bits", I wonder which individual, for you, embodies what has went so hilariously wrong for the Scottish Branch of London Labour? Is it Kezia, who looks hugely out of her depth at the helm? The social media muppets of McDougall or Hotherslol? John McTernan, who seems to turn everything he touches to shite? Or someone else? I left out the likes of Ian Murray, Magrit Curran etc as they are/ were Westminster minions, but name them if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Don't think you can single it down to one person. The beauty of what is happening to both Labour and Labour in Scotland is that's it's all of their own making. They literally have no one else to blame bit themselves, especially in Scotland. And the other beauty is the Labour Unionist media who backed them to the hilt are now suffering too! You look at the Scotsman for instance, they are like someone caught in a trance right now. They detest the SNP, no one is voting for Labour in Scotland and they can't back Corbyn's Labour. They just don't know were to go with their editorials, and in meantime their readership is haemorrhaging. Same with the Record, although they jumped on the Corbyn band-wagon. Lets see how that pans out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 Don't think you can single it down to one person. The beauty of what is happening to both Labour and Labour in Scotland is that's it's all of their own making. They literally have no one else to blame bit themselves, especially in Scotland. And the other beauty is the Labour Unionist media who backed them to the hilt are now suffering too! You look at the Scotsman for instance, they are like someone caught in a trance right now. They detest the SNP, no one is voting for Labour in Scotland and they can't back Corbyn's Labour. They just don't know were to go with their editorials, and in meantime their readership is haemorrhaging. Same with the Record, although they jumped on the Corbyn band-wagon. Lets see how that pans out... All very good points. Although he was a Westminster minion, this embodies their attitude for me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 All very good points. Although he was a Westminster minion, this embodies their attitude for me: Yip, people like Davidson have destroyed Labour. And there's more than him, lots more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Fundily Mundily Murphy and his great vision for Scottish branch office of Labour after they got ragged dolled at the Westminster elections, seal clapped by the likes of Dugdale and Baille only for Corbyn to get in and have a totally different agenda which leaves they flapping like a pair of skiddy knickers on a flagpole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think your autocorrect must have affected the thread title. Should the last word not be shame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 the obsession with a so called dead party is amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 the obsession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Following Kezia's display on TV last night, where she said that Labour didn't campaign with the Tories during Indyref and where she described Trident as one of Labour's "bad bits", I wonder which individual, for you, embodies what has went so hilariously wrong for the Scottish Branch of London Labour? Is it Kezia, who looks hugely out of her depth at the helm? The social media muppets of McDougall or Hotherslol? John McTernan, who seems to turn everything he touches to shite? Or someone else? I left out the likes of Ian Murray, Magrit Curran etc as they are/ were Westminster minions, but name them if you like. I missed this, what programme was she on? She's always good for a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 The rot set in for Labour with Jack McConnell. He always gets away scot-free in these arguments but ultimately he won the 2003 election by a pretty decent margin, then went on to lose (narrowly) the 2007 election. The failure started in these years. Scot Lab became...boring. No visions, no ideas just the management of Scotland. Plus, some of their policies were starting to look unpopular (closing hospitals etc). They haven't recovered since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Kez used the word Socialism yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Kez used the word Socialism yesterday. That must have been a first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Kev's sort of right for the first time in his life. Far too many threads about these utter no marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 The rot set in years ago but I would say two turning points were 1) PR being introduced for local council elections in Scotland. I suspect this eroded a lot of Labour's local power bases, especially in the sort of places that used to be "stick a red rosette on a chimp and he'll get elected (and quite often was)" 2) Gordon Brown's Premiership. I suspect a lot of Scottish Labour voters thought "Blair's a git but we'll just have to wait until good old Gordon gets in and it will be a socialist paradise". A bit like the Jacobites toasting the King over the water and ending up with Charlie leading them to Culloden. It's annoying that Brown still gets a soft ride by the Scottish media because he was a bloody disaster both as Chancellor and as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Blair. Simple as that. Won elections but lost 5 million Labour voters. Still quoted by ex-Labour voters in Scotland as the reason for going elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Iain Gray and Johann Lamont must take a lot of the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Cathy Jamieson for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Where the f**k's the Keir Hardie option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Lets set some curtains on fire Mike Watson just been promoted to the front benches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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