David Bowie

[pandarilla]

That is superb, utterly brilliant.

It really is. I'm not a big fan of either queen nor bowie but that's very good.

[Glenconner]

Yet Eric Clapton two years earlier did the most successful version of Bob Marley's "I Shot The Sheriff" and gave both Marley and reggae the sort of worldwide exposure they'd hitherto only dreamed of. Making fatuous comments on stage once does not a "nazi racist fascist filth" make.

As for "Bowie's NF relative", just another part of how the original story (from an 1976 article in Playboy - hardly the most reliable of sources, especially back in the day when journalists were twisted fuckers that got away with murder) grew legs and a hipster beard.

Context is also important: back in the 1970s, both the NUJ and the Musicians Union were systematically infiltrated by the Workers' Revolutionary Party & the International Socialists/Socialist Workers Party, who seemed to think just because John Lennon played at being a socialist that meant "the kids" were ready to be led via music to the revolution: as if Woodstock never happened. One of the reasons the early punks flouted with Nazi imagery was to provoke them (as much as the older generation) for it was no secret the likes of Tony Parsons, Julia Burchell, Cornelius Cardew and Maggie Nichols were abusing their positions in the music industry looking for "brownshirts under the bed" on the flimsiest of pretexts for much the same reason as Matthew Proctor looked for "witches".

Even the fun loving Poly Styrene of X-Ray Spex sang "Genetic Engineering will create the perfect race" and "I dreamt that I was HITLER!" in '78 to burst the neck veins of those who were the faux self-righteous not out of any "anxiety" over the NF (who in 1976 were in fact too busy merrily destroying themselves in the great Kingsley-Read/Painter vs Tyndall/Webster bunfight) but because of the power trip for life's losers which comes from raising a vindictive mob against those doing better than them.

Bowie played a major part of the Band Aid project which saved millions in the Third World. He was married to a black woman from 1992 until his death. That anyone should bother to bring up his supposed "fascism" or "racism" is beyond absurd.

Where do these people draw the line? The Clash: who hero worshipped the Sandinistas enough to dedicated a triple album to the "liberators" of Nicuragua responsible for the disappearence & murder of thousands of political opponents? Or perhaps like the Manic Street Preachers they simply spouted fashionable (instead of fascist) political platitutes to court those who could make or break their careers? Who cares - you want The Clash and the Manics' music to make you happy - not to be your MP or run Town Hall.

Enjoy the music, take the lyrics as you find them, without worrying about whether your favourites are politically correct enough? Life's joyless enough without trying to destroy those little joys we still have. Bowie was hardly Ian Stuart Donaldson, was he?

A sexually ambigious mime artist would be a pretty good description of that evil old shit John Tyndall - now thankfully rotting in Hell with his buddy Colin Jordan.

Personally i think Bowie's been a rightwinger all along.

In later lfe he's been able to adapt to shutting his mouth.

And his final act politically was to send a message, oi Jocks vote No.

The guy politically as far as i'm concerned was a British Nationalist.

It wouldn't be the biggest shock to find other rightwingers that knocked back baubles from the monarchy.

In the end it didn't matter, he was a non dom in the super rich bracket.

[pandarilla]

Personally i think Bowie's been a rightwinger all along.

In later lfe he's been able to adapt to shutting his mouth.

And his final act politically was to send a message, oi Jocks vote No.

The guy politically as far as i'm concerned was a British Nationalist.

It wouldn't be the biggest shock to find other rightwingers that knocked back baubles from the monarchy.

In the end it didn't matter, he was a non dom in the super rich bracket.

That's quite a warped, poisonous view to have.

[Glenconner]

That's quite a warped, poisonous view to have.

Don't know why you think that.

Plenty in the music industry support a right wing view of life.

You think because their singers and songwriters it makes them all leftwing in their politics.

[pandarilla]

Don't know why you think that.

Plenty in the music industry support a right wing view of life.

You think because their singers and songwriters it makes them all leftwing in their politics.

No, not that. I'm a socialist but I can appreciate different forms of art from those with different opinions (although I haven't seem enough to be convinced he's as right wing as you make him).

I voted yes but I'm perfectly fine with him expressing his opinion on the referendum.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

[WaffenThinMint]

Personally i think Bowie's been a rightwinger all along.

In later lfe he's been able to adapt to shutting his mouth.

And his final act politically was to send a message, oi Jocks vote No.

The guy politically as far as i'm concerned was a British Nationalist.

It wouldn't be the biggest shock to find other rightwingers that knocked back baubles from the monarchy.

In the end it didn't matter, he was a non dom in the super rich bracket.

No, in the end it didn't matter because like I said, life's joyless enough without worrying about whether your favourite entertainers think the same as you before you'll allow yourself to "like" them. You'll only end up unhappy when your favourites inevitably "sell out".

Witness that bonfire of the vanities that was Midnight Oil's fanbase when Peter Garrett outdid even Labour under Blair in going back on everything they'd "believed" the prior thirty years for personal advantage.

[killiefan27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGiVzIr8Qg

Here's the fascist taking MTV to task because they weren't playing black artists.

[Sergeant Wilson]

Personally i think Bowie's been a rightwinger all along.

In later lfe he's been able to adapt to shutting his mouth.

And his final act politically was to send a message, oi Jocks vote No.

The guy politically as far as i'm concerned was a British Nationalist.

It wouldn't be the biggest shock to find other rightwingers that knocked back baubles from the monarchy.

In the end it didn't matter, he was a non dom in the super rich bracket.

Aye but you're mental.

[Glenconner]

Here's the fascist taking MTV to task because they weren't playing black artists.

Do you think Bowie was a Fascist? coz i don't.

Why would a non Scot multi millionaire who lived in Switzerland give an eff about the Scottish referendum, to the point of sending a message to be read out at a music award?

[jagfox]

So 55% of voters in Scotland's independence referendum were/ are fascists?

[Glenconner]

So 55% of voters in Scotland's independence referendum were/ are fascists?

Hardly although that mob on the Friday night in George Square came pretty close.

[FlyerTon]

On TFI Friday, 1999.

[RadgerTheBadger]

Just give me the highlights of these noir films. Is there tits or zombies?

70s Berlin? I'll be expecting a few hairy minges

[FlyerTon]

From the year 2000:

[RadgerTheBadger]

He was a right ugly c unt mind you

[Grim O'Grady]

Yet Eric Clapton two years earlier did the most successful version of Bob Marley's "I Shot The Sheriff" and gave both Marley and reggae the sort of worldwide exposure they'd hitherto only dreamed of. Making fatuous comments on stage once does not a "nazi racist fascist filth" make.

As for "Bowie's NF relative", just another part of how the original story (from an 1976 article in Playboy - hardly the most reliable of sources, especially back in the day when journalists were twisted fuckers that got away with murder) grew legs and a hipster beard.

Context is also important: back in the 1970s, both the NUJ and the Musicians Union were systematically infiltrated by the Workers' Revolutionary Party & the International Socialists/Socialist Workers Party, who seemed to think just because John Lennon played at being a socialist that meant "the kids" were ready to be led via music to the revolution: as if Woodstock never happened. One of the reasons the early punks flouted with Nazi imagery was to provoke them (as much as the older generation) for it was no secret the likes of Tony Parsons, Julia Burchell, Cornelius Cardew and Maggie Nichols were abusing their positions in the music industry looking for "brownshirts under the bed" on the flimsiest of pretexts for much the same reason as Matthew Proctor looked for "witches".

Even the fun loving Poly Styrene of X-Ray Spex sang "Genetic Engineering will create the perfect race" and "I dreamt that I was HITLER!" in '78 to burst the neck veins of those who were the faux self-righteous not out of any "anxiety" over the NF (who in 1976 were in fact too busy merrily destroying themselves in the great Kingsley-Read/Painter vs Tyndall/Webster bunfight) but because of the power trip for life's losers which comes from raising a vindictive mob against those doing better than them.

Bowie played a major part of the Band Aid project which saved millions in the Third World. He was married to a black woman from 1992 until his death. That anyone should bother to bring up his supposed "fascism" or "racism" is beyond absurd.

Where do these people draw the line? The Clash: who hero worshipped the Sandinistas enough to dedicated a triple album to the "liberators" of Nicuragua responsible for the disappearence & murder of thousands of political opponents? Or perhaps like the Manic Street Preachers they simply spouted fashionable (instead of fascist) political platitutes to court those who could make or break their careers? Who cares - you want The Clash and the Manics' music to make you happy - not to be your MP or run Town Hall.

Enjoy the music, take the lyrics as you find them, without worrying about whether your favourites are politically correct enough? Life's joyless enough without trying to destroy those little joys we still have. Bowie was hardly Ian Stuart Donaldson, was he?

A sexually ambigious mime artist would be a pretty good description of that evil old shit John Tyndall - now thankfully rotting in Hell with his buddy Colin Jordan.

I loved Poly Styrene & X-Ray Spex. So I feel I must make some (pretentious) comment in (no need for) defence of her & her lyrics that I (without rhyme or reason) scold you Mr WTN. Poly was of "mixed" race so no way was she flirting with fascism that other artistes of the day did because they thought it fashionable or in the case of deluded Donaldson an outright fascist, a "normal" belief.

X-Ray Spex played the massive Anti-Nazi League festival Rock Against Racism. So we know where their political stance lay.

Genetic engineering was about the destruction of the human race not a celebration of any right wing agenda.

Lastly the "I dreamt that I was Hiker", is hardly proof of any right wing tendencies either, she probably saw on the Telly about an NF march before having a cheese supper or something.

Oh was that the point you were making. Sorry tldnr

Grimbo

[FlyerTon]

This song was recorded at Abbey Road Studios, London in June 1985, the month before David Bowie played Live Aid at Wembley.

This song got to no. 2 on 22 March 1986. The drummer on this song was also the drummer on David Bowie's Live Aid set - Neil Conti.

[SweeperDee]

Currently running through the Berlin trilogy just now. Without a doubt, my favourite album is "Heroes". I've always felt this, but after what I estimate to be the 10th time I've went through the trilogy, it's just remarkable.

Wouldn't say there's a weak song in there. The title track is the obvious highlight, which is in itself one of the greatest love against the odds songs ever written; Beauty and the Beast, Joe the Lion, Sons of the silent age, V-2 Schneider, are all brilliant songs.

[Boostin' Kev]

I still prefer Low but you're right it's a great album.  Have you watched Christiane F?  Heroes is used brilliantly in that film.