Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, mac.i said: So far I'm in agreement.... unfortunately they make decisions on the forecasts so folks don't end up standing in a station wondering if/ when there will be a train. Indeed. They can choose to skip work and lose wages (providing their boss is happy to do without them), or realise that with everything getting much more expensive they actually really need the wage and can get stranded instead. Fabulous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.i Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Indeed. They can choose to skip work and lose wages (providing their boss is happy to do without them), or realise that with everything getting much more expensive they actually really need the wage and can get stranded instead. Fabulous. Its crap. My view is also that if you "go too early" folk won't listen when you really need them to..... I'm not trying to "justify" the decisions that they have taken, maybe just give an idea why they were taken. Oh and please remember the poor sod on the platform doesn't have any influence on them at all.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: It isn't even that windy mate. Planes are still flying. Cancelling trains today for a yellow warning is a complete joke A plane has had to abort a take off due to the wind that would have been fun to aboard...not really it happened to me once and I had to dispose of my underwear at the first available opportunity Forgot to add it was Glasgow airport Edited February 16, 2022 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, mac.i said: I'm not trying to "justify" the decisions that they have taken, maybe just give an idea why they were taken. I think everyone knows why they were taken. But it is a crap reason. They should be getting publicly ripped for it, not the soft "oh but you just never know" crap. Ultimately, whether you like it or not you're acting as an apologist here, and there are enough "understanding" people such as yourself that they can get away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, doulikefish said: A plane has had to abort a take off due to the wind that would have been fun to aboard...not really it happened to me once and I had to dispose of my underwear at the first available opportunity Forgot to add it was Glasgow airport Planes are a terrible comparison anyway as, unlike things which don't leave the ground (cars, busses, trains) high winds actually are quite dangerous for planes taking off and landing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 41 minutes ago, mac.i said: Stonehaven was a derailment, trees on the line can cause a derailment.......... Derailment can cause death or injury. The trains in the Central belt are now mainly electric powered which adds its own fun in the wind. Trees on the overheads, trees taking down the overheads, overheads oscillating in the wind and a train bringing them down. Which leads to all sorts of issues with trains stuck outside stations and such like. Not as extreme as the worst case above but could also need already stretched emergency services to attend and assist. I tend to agree that there is possibly a bit too much caution but as I've said I understand why they make the decision. It's not until you have experienced someone passing away "on your watch" that you know the feeling. I was lucky "mine" turned out to be a medical cause but the days until I heard were horrific. Driver Brett McCullough, 45, conductor Donald Dinnie, 58, and passenger Christopher Stuchbury, 62, were just going about their normal day....... The job of managing a public transport service should not be determined by feelings but rather rational analysis and calculated understanding of risk. If Scotrail's managers understandably do not feel up to that task any more, then they should have left their posts over the past 18 months. The onus is not on the citizens of Scotland to face the consequences of their ongoing psychodrama over any modestly bad weather conditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Which arsehole at Network Rail decided that engineering works need to take place on Easter Sunday?No trains from England - a bus service from Lancaster - yet it's only Motherwell to Edinburgh section that's closed.Told this on 9 February after I had booked return tickets to Manchester Aitport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 ScotRail have clearly shat it. The clowns saying “better to be safe than sorry” are definitely not the same people who rely on the train service to go about their daily lives. 100% these are the same folk who have barricaded themselves indoors during the pandemic and lapped up every word the Scots Gov have said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: ScotRail have clearly shat it. The clowns saying “better to be safe than sorry” are definitely not the same people who rely on the train service to go about their daily lives. 100% these are the same folk who have barricaded themselves indoors during the pandemic and lapped up every word the Scots Gov have said. I pity anyone who has to rely on the train service to go about their daily lives -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: It isn't even that windy mate. Planes are still flying. Cancelling trains today for a yellow warning is a complete joke It's no the wind, it's the gusts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: ScotRail have clearly shat it. The clowns saying “better to be safe than sorry” are definitely not the same people who rely on the train service to go about their daily lives. 100% these are the same folk who have barricaded themselves indoors during the pandemic and lapped up every word the Scots Gov have said. LMAO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: LMAO And of course there was no issue with trains continuing to run until wires were actually damaged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: And of course there was no issue with trains continuing to run until wires were actually damaged. Unfortunately we have moved on from steam trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 So glad Scotrail decided to strand people trying to get home from Glasgow & Edinburgh to their central belt homes tonight because a cable got damaged in Carlisle... 8 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Unfortunately we have moved on from steam trains. Another green clanger... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 You choose to believe that if you want. You do understand what a fact is, right, and how hypothetical situations can't be fact? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.i Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, jamamafegan said: ScotRail have clearly shat it. The clowns saying “better to be safe than sorry” are definitely not the same people who rely on the train service to go about their daily lives. 100% these are the same folk who have barricaded themselves indoors during the pandemic and lapped up every word the Scots Gov have said. Furlough - nope WFH - nope Reduced hours - nope At work every day working with the public - yep Train to work - yep where possible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 You do understand what a fact is, right, and how hypothetical situations can't be fact? It's not hypothetical. Trains ran in conditions like tonight before Stonehaven. Now we are seeing services stopped. As others have said - nothing has changed with infrastructure/weather over the last 5 years. The only difference between 5 years ago and tonight is Stonehaven. Again - If we never had that disaster trains would be running tonight. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: So glad Scotrail decided to strand people trying to get home from Glasgow & Edinburgh to their central belt homes tonight because a cable got damaged in Carlisle... Another green clanger... Scotrail gave enough notice that folk could make arrangements IMO. Everyone that relies on rail at my work was away before the last train of the day and I'm aware of the same in other places of work. I can't fathom how that isn't better than just ploughing on until inevitable cancellations during rush hour and actually stranding people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.V.T. Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Famous last words but living in an Amber zone, I’ve seen trains run in very similar weather to this. Shat it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Scotrail gave enough notice that folk could make arrangements IMO. Everyone that relies on rail at my work was away before the last train of the day and I'm aware of the same in other places of work. I can't fathom how that isn't better than just ploughing on until inevitable cancellations during rush hour and actually stranding people. I've no doubt that everyone that could make alternative arrangements would have done so. Not everyone would have been able to do so, however, so to simply cancel all services, before the end of the normal working day, whilst doing absolutely zero to help those that do rely on the rail network is completely unacceptable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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