vikingTON Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The EU has absolutely nothing to do with it; Germany has advanced industry and the UK does not because the UK had a full decade of Thatcherism and Germany did not. Once again the fault lies with voters being absolute morons and voting against their best interests. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ireland's economy boomed by taking every EU grant and project on offer, we turned loads down because we weren't prepared to match the funding. Just sat whining about unelected Brussels bureaucrats instead of getting truly involved. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Ireland's economy boomed by taking every EU grant and project on offer, we turned loads down because we weren't prepared to match the funding. Just sat whining about unelected Brussels bureaucrats instead of getting truly involved. The funding went to specific areas of course. As well as grants there was other funding for some. I read a piece last week by a convert to independence since indyref 1. He was at a meeting in London for work, and the group were sitting chatting during a break. They got on to the subject of grants etc, and the Norwegian oil fund was mentioned. The Scottish guy mentioned that the Scottish oil fund was actually known as the M25, and the rest of the crowd shuffled a bit, cleared their throats and looked down at their feet. There wasn't much banter for the rest of the meeting and they could barely look him in the eye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The EU has absolutely nothing to do with it; Germany has advanced industry and the UK does not because the UK had a full decade of Thatcherism and Germany did not. Once again the fault lies with voters being absolute morons and voting against their best interests. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that post (other than the very first point).Globalisation has taken power away from people and their communities, and away from regions and even nations. Corporations close factories at the drop of a hat and move elsewhere - leaving chaos in their wake. Thatcherism, of course, actively encouraged this. In terms of the EU it has gradually evolved to become a big part of that process (albeit they recognised the need for wealth redistribution and workers rights). Like I said earlier, the idea that poor communities are glad to come out of the EU and return power to a ruthless Tory government...is insane. But who knows what the fallout will be from brexit in the medium to long term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 hours ago, pandarilla said: The mystery box hasn't been opened yet though. I didn't vote for brexit but I'm sure as hell not going to believe that the outcome is going to be automatically gloomy. History is littered with unintended consequences, and economists often fall flat on their face when predicting how things will turn out. Things can change very quickly. The eu itself isn't entirely secure. There is still the chance (however unlikely) that it could fold. .. or as Theresa May would say "What's in the box is in the box." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that post (other than the very first point). Globalisation has taken power away from people and their communities, and away from regions and even nations. Corporations close factories at the drop of a hat and move elsewhere - leaving chaos in their wake. Thatcherism, of course, actively encouraged this. In terms of the EU it has gradually evolved to become a big part of that process (albeit they recognised the need for wealth redistribution and workers rights). Like I said earlier, the idea that poor communities are glad to come out of the EU and return power to a ruthless Tory government...is insane. But who knows what the fallout will be from brexit in the medium to long term. We won’t be any less susceptible to the negative aspects of globalisation outside the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 We won’t be any less susceptible to the negative aspects of globalisation outside the EU. I'm not quite so sure. We'd be more able to support our own industries, and even renationalise. These things are much harder to do within the eu. Obviously we'd need to get a corbyn style government in place, and a brexit deal that isn't too restrictive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Can't remember where this was discussed but the Gender Pay Gap stuff is starting to really boil my piss. This on the BBC today - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43632763 It bangs on and on about how unfair everything is with only one throwaway line pointing out the other side of the story - Quote Some have criticised the exercise, which also applies to charities and public sector bodies, as a crude mechanism open to misinterpretation. It's absolute fucking bollocks is what it is! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: Can't remember where this was discussed but the Gender Pay Gap stuff is starting to really boil my piss. This on the BBC today - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43632763 It bangs on and on about how unfair everything is with only one throwaway line pointing out the other side of the story - It's absolute fucking bollocks is what it is! The BBC are shit scared of it after paying a China news lassie that nobody had heard of less than the Washington boy who was on the telly every night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I'm not quite so sure. We'd be more able to support our own industries, and even renationalise. These things are much harder to do within the eu. It’s worth noting that the French Government doesn’t just own the bulk of the electricity generation sector in France it also owns a reasonable chunk of the UK sector as well. SNCF and Deutche Bahn are in public ownership blaming the EU for the UK not rolling back the worst excesses of privatisation is something of a red herring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It’s worth noting that the French Government doesn’t just own the bulk of the electricity generation sector in France it also owns a reasonable chunk of the UK sector as well. SNCF and Deutche Bahn are in public ownership blaming the EU for the UK not rolling back the worst excesses of privatisation is something of a red herring. I'm certainly no expert and this is a genuine question, but is the difference that those were already nationalised? Has the eu not made it more difficult, or almost impossible, to renationalise?And what was the eu trying to block the Scottish government doing recently? Was it minimum pricing, and how did the Scottish government get round it? (Genuine questions) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The funding went to specific areas of course. As well as grants there was other funding for some. I read a piece last week by a convert to independence since indyref 1. He was at a meeting in London for work, and the group were sitting chatting during a break. They got on to the subject of grants etc, and the Norwegian oil fund was mentioned. The Scottish guy mentioned that the Scottish oil fund was actually known as the M25, and the rest of the crowd shuffled a bit, cleared their throats and looked down at their feet. There wasn't much banter for the rest of the meeting and they could barely look him in the eye. Didn’t happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Didn’t happen. Thats a minter of opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Didn’t happen. The guy posted this in a blog, and he's a liar...... You say it didn't happen, and you're a fud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Awks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 tbf nobody ever thinks of Wales, it's just sort of there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I enjoyed the "Brexit Bridge" reply 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Red Tory Blue Tory alliance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Be interesting to see if the fuckers get suspended by the labour party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 12 hours ago, mjw said: Red Tory Blue Tory alliance. Same old, same old. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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