Miguel Sanchez Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Russia Today is good viewing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Turkish media reporting that the slogans he shouted are considered to be those of the al-Nusra Front, the al Queda affiliate in Syria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 53 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Russia and Turkey had patched things up since the coup attempt but the reaction to this will test Russian-Turkish relations to the max. Can't see why. A statement distancing the Turkish government from one persons actions will follow and this will be a footnote. Russia and Assad will get their way in Syria anyway, I suspect everyone knows this and probably isn't the absolute worst outcome from a western perspective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 They had metal detectors for entry so it's likely he was on protection duty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: They had metal detectors for entry so it's likely he was on protection duty. Interestingly it appears so but he was sacked from the Turkish police in the summer over the attempted military coup. You wouldn't imagine he'd find employment in such a position as a result of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, djchapsticks said: Interestingly it appears so but he was sacked from the Turkish police in the summer over the attempted military coup. You wouldn't imagine he'd find employment in such a position as a result of that. But where was the security? I would have thought that the Ambassador would have armed guards to protect him. Why was the gunman not shot immediately? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Wee Willie said: But where was the security? I would have thought that the Ambassador would have armed guards to protect him. Why was the gunman not shot immediately? From the photo with him standing behind Karlov, his having been allowed a gun through the metal detectors and now allegedly having a history of being an armed guard for Erdogan that he WAS in fact the security. But again, this surely doesn't make sense if he was in fact sacked for being part of a military coup? Why would he find employment in an armed post protecting a politician of any sort if this was actually the case as has been reported already? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: From the photo with him standing behind Karlov, his having been allowed a gun through the metal detectors and now allegedly having a history of being an armed guard for Erdogan that he WAS in fact the security. But again, this surely doesn't make sense if he was in fact sacked for being part of a military coup? Why would he find employment in an armed post protecting a politician of any sort if this was actually the case as has been reported already? That's my point. Surely a Russian Ambassador merits more than one security guard. I would have thought he would be gunned down straight away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 ScotGov's plans for a differentiated solution to Brexit that allows Scotland to stay in the single market: http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0051/00512073.pdf Basically, repatriate enough powers from Westminster to make it possible to apply for EFTA. Westminster will never go for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 hours ago, djchapsticks said: From the photo with him standing behind Karlov, his having been allowed a gun through the metal detectors and now allegedly having a history of being an armed guard for Erdogan that he WAS in fact the security. But again, this surely doesn't make sense if he was in fact sacked for being part of a military coup? Why would he find employment in an armed post protecting a politician of any sort if this was actually the case as has been reported already? According to the link below he was on leave from the police and flashed his ID to avoid the metal detector. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/karlovs-attacker-refused-to-go-through-x-ray-entered-with-police-id-municipality.aspx?pageID=238&nID=107538&NewsCatID=509 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, renton said: ScotGov's plans for a differentiated solution to Brexit that allows Scotland to stay in the single market: http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0051/00512073.pdf Basically, repatriate enough powers from Westminster to make it possible to apply for EFTA. Westminster will never go for it. The whole point of the proposal is for Westminster to 'never go for it'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, renton said: ScotGov's plans for a differentiated solution to Brexit that allows Scotland to stay in the single market: http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0051/00512073.pdf Basically, repatriate enough powers from Westminster to make it possible to apply for EFTA. Westminster will never go for it. They are becoming quite adept at writing papers that proceed on the basis of their wishes being accommodated entirely. Edited December 20, 2016 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, strichener said: They are becoming quite adept at writing papers that proceed on the basis of their wishes being accommodated entirely. "They" have a mandate, why shouldn't their wishes be accommodated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: "They" have a mandate, why shouldn't their wishes be accommodated? ^^^Hasn't read the document. ETA: Their mandate was to be able to hold another Indy ref if Scotland was taken out of the EU. It is quite clear that currently the SNP cannot win another referendum, hence this posturing and production of the equivalent of a brexit white paper. Edited December 20, 2016 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 minute ago, strichener said: ^^^Hasn't read the document. ^^^Can't answer the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just now, Baxter Parp said: ^^^Can't answer the question. Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical. They have no mandate for this document, see the edit to my previous post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, strichener said: They are becoming quite adept at writing papers that proceed on the basis of their wishes being accommodated entirely. You are being unfair. Certainly on the White paper, the demand for a currency union was a hostage to fortune, and a bad mistake, even if it made sense economically in the short term, but here any plan to keep Scotland in both the UK and the EU is massively dependent on Westminster compliance and given it's the ScotGov originating the plan, then it follows that it's them who are asking to be accommodated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, strichener said: ^^^Hasn't read the document. ETA: Their mandate was to be able to hold another Indy ref if Scotland was taken out of the EU. It is quite clear that currently the SNP cannot win another referendum, hence this posturing and production of the equivalent of a brexit white paper. They have a mandate for both. They did pass that Holyrood motion to the effect of gaining support for keeping Scotland in the single market. They won an election who's manifesto included the option of having another go in the event of a change in circumstance that included the type of hard Brexit we are seeing now. I'm not sure where you are getting the clarity that the SNP couldn't win another one from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 20 minutes ago, strichener said: Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical. They have no mandate for this document, see the edit to my previous post. You're wrong, the mandate is to keep Scotland and it's people in the EU as per the referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 31 minutes ago, renton said: I'm not sure where you are getting the clarity that the SNP couldn't win another one from. Quite. You mean the BBC, The Express, The Mail and The Telegraph say they can't? Right then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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