John Lambies Doos Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 So JC finally shows he wants a hard brexit... hopefully all the youngsters who voted for him bear this in mind.Ship builder in Glasgow and one in Hamburg and all that.JC is a fraud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 So JC finally shows he wants a hard brexit... hopefully all the youngsters who voted for him bear this in mind.Ship builder in Glasgow and one in Hamburg and all that.JC is a fraud The latest in a line of things that have pissed me off about him. Trident, his comments about Scotland and the referendum, now this. He's an illusion hiding behind his stunts. After he had such an upper hand after the Tories antics yesterday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 To be fair to him he was hiding his pro-Brexit stance very very poorly. There are perfectly valid left-wing reasons to dislike the EU and it was a mild surprise to me that they never came out during the referendum. Pro-EU politics is more commonly centrist than leftist really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 This amendment was nothing more than a vanity trip by Chuku Umunna to keep his leadership ambitions afloat. Laughable that anyone thinks the party at large would fall behind someone suddenly arguing for single market access less than a year after he said he'd scrap it to cut immigration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Corbyn has never pretended to be anything other than Euroscepetic - a cursory look at his voting record would confirm this. If anybody voted Labour purely on the basis that he would fight Brexit tooth and nail, maybe politics isn't for you. I'm sure Umunna was one of the backbench Labour MPs arguing to prioritise cutting immigration over single market membership only last year, too. If so, this is more than a little bit opportunistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Id never knock back a pay rise but id much rather see the public sector get a boost to employ more cops, nurses, firefighters and update the equipment we use, even though im knocking back money for myself I'd much rather we were given the right tools and resources to do our job, the effect this would have on morale all over the public sector would be immeasurably more than a 5-10% pay rise. So much this. I, and others like me, resigned myself to never setting another pay rise when the Prison Service restructured ten years ago, and cut my cloth accordingly. Our main problem now is that the odds of getting assaulted at work are now worryingly short, and more than a pay rise we need adequate staffing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Paco said: In light of the vote against a public sector pay increase (tabled by Labour), a competent Scottish Labour leader would be bringing the same kind of motion to the Scottish Parliament to really pressure the SNP. Sturgeon has signalled it'll be on the way out, but it's far from a commitment and SLab could claim the credit. Wonder if the thought has even crossed Kez's mind? Maybe this is why,she voted against it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 This amendment was nothing more than a vanity trip by Chuku Umunna to keep his leadership ambitions afloat. Laughable that anyone thinks the party at large would fall behind someone suddenly arguing for single market access less than a year after he said he'd scrap it to cut immigration. He sacked them for opposing a hard Brexit. Ridiculous 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 He sacked them for opposing a hard Brexit. Ridiculous No he didn't. He sacked them for opposing a three line whip. There was zero reason for Chuku to table this motion other than for his own vanity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 No he didn't. He sacked them for opposing a three line whip. There was zero reason for Chuku to table this motion other than for his own vanity. Aye aye... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Aye aye... Well it is. Chuku's petulant amendment aimed at destabilising the leadership again after he was overlooked for a shadow cabinet position was rightfully responded to with sackings and a slap down from Corbyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Well it is. Chuku's petulant amendment aimed at destabilising the leadership again after he was overlooked for a shadow cabinet position was rightfully responded to with sackings and a slap down from Corbyn. Sacking them is ridiculous. Especially when Slaughters constituency voted 70 plus remain or something. What about standing up for them? He didn't have to sack them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 He did sack them because they didn't back a hard brexit. Can't believe people are been taken in by this guy... ching ching. Labour memberships I guess 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Well it is. Chuku's petulant amendment aimed at destabilising the leadership again after he was overlooked for a shadow cabinet position was rightfully responded to with sackings and a slap down from Corbyn. You do know "he's not the messiah"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, DrewDon said: Corbyn has never pretended to be anything other than Euroscepetic Like Cleggmania and "Mother" Theresas huge polling lead, political popularity can be a touch ephemeral. Lets see how is staunchly pro European core support and much of the peripheral support he picked up stick with him and he guides Labour to support hard Brexit. Tempus fugit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 You do know "he's not the messiah"? I don't know about that. Vilified wrongly in his lifetime? Initials of JC? Could feasibly be everyone's da? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'm a pretty big critic of Corbyn but I think the criticism of him here is disingenuous. He has sacked people from the front bench who disobeyed the whip. Don't get me wrong, I want us to stay in the single market, but Labour ran on a manifesto of leaving and the vote on the amendment was a whipped vote to abstain. He would have been weak if he hadn't reacted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: I but Labour ran on a manifesto of leaving Quote a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union Their manifesto emphasized standing up for a soft Brexit. Just like the last manifesto pledged to retain Trident, but that did not stop Corbyn doing everything he could to undermine that. Both parties have massive issues on Brexit and both pulled smoke and mirrors tricks on the issue Both will be called on the consequences of that this parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I really want to like Corbyn but he periodically comes across as a vindictive twat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 It's not vindictive to sack people for defying a three line whip. Any leader would have done the same.That's not saying I agree with him on this issue... I'd rather stay in the Single Market. However, Labour are still in a position where being seen as too soft on Brexit could cost us votes round here and in the North of England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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