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20 hours ago, DublinMagyar said:

I'd have thought all political leaders worldwide have a responsibility to put their country first.

I'd have thought so too, but it's apparently racist and xenophobic to put your own country first, has been for many years now... unless it's for a pet issue, such as Scottish independence, of course.

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I see the Green Party in England and Wales (completely separate to the Scottish Green Party) are experiencing a row after the conviction of  LGBT spokesperson Aimee Challenor's father for sex offences.

David Challenor was convicted of child rape, false imprisonment, sexual assault and taking indecent photographs of a child.  He was sentenced to 22 years in prison.  The details of the offences are absolutely disgusting and disturbing, even for crimes of this nature.   He was arrested in November 2016 but acted as an election agent for Aimee in both local and General elections following that.  He was named 'Baloo' Challenor in election literature, a reference to his role as a cub scout leader (Cub scout leaders are named after Jungle Book characters).  He also acted as an election agent for his wife Tina Challenor, who was also a Green Party candidate in local elections.

Aimee Challenor was a candidate for the deputy leadership of the Greens but withdrew following teh conviction of her father.  She claimed she did not know the full details of his offences and that she was not living with her father at the time.  She has since resigned from the Green Party, stating she is leaving due to transphobia in the party (Aimee Challenor is transgender) and has claimed she told party officials that her father was facing charges in November 2016.

You have to wonder how people within the Greens allowed someone of David Challenor's character to become influential in the party and how someone facing charges of the magnitude he was to act as an election agent for the party.  

ETA - the house where the offences took place was also the registered HQ for the Green Party in Coventry.

 

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49 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I see the Green Party in England and Wales (completely separate to the Scottish Green Party) are experiencing a row after the conviction of  LGBT spokesperson Aimee Challenor's father for sex offences.

David Challenor was convicted of child rape, false imprisonment, sexual assault and taking indecent photographs of a child.  He was sentenced to 22 years in prison.  The details of the offences are absolutely disgusting and disturbing, even for crimes of this nature.   He was arrested in November 2016 but acted as an election agent for Aimee in both local and General elections following that.  He was named 'Baloo' Challenor in election literature, a reference to his role as a cub scout leader (Cub scout leaders are named after Jungle Book characters).  He also acted as an election agent for his wife Tina Challenor, who was also a Green Party candidate in local elections.

Aimee Challenor was a candidate for the deputy leadership of the Greens but withdrew following teh conviction of her father.  She claimed she did not know the full details of his offences and that she was not living with her father at the time.  She has since resigned from the Green Party, stating she is leaving due to transphobia in the party (Aimee Challenor is transgender) and has claimed she told party officials that her father was facing charges in November 2016.

The snake eating its own tail, an entity being hoisted by its own petard - in this instance driven by identity politics, competing victimhood narratives, and scrambling over moral superiority - is always fascinating to predict and watch unfold.

The Greens are one of only two parties I've ever voted for, but wouldn't touch the recent incarnation with a bargepole.

f**k em, let them implode and start again.

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41 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The constant focus on individuals and incidents in UK politics is absolutely tedious.

The Salmond case has no bearing on the independence movement as a whole and this is completely irrelevant to compared to the environmental issues the Green Party should be concentrating on.

I don't think these things are irrelevant.

The Green Party of England and Wales is a semi-major party in the UK - they have elected representatives in the UK and European Parliament and Welsh Assembly as well as hundreds of councilors.  

David Challenor was a delegate to Green party, where alongside Aimee, he sponsored motions on sexual education, on party rules and had influence over policy.  Aimee Challenor opposed a motion to disqualify convicted criminals from membership of the Green Party following David's arrest.  As above, the HQ of the Green Party was their house, the scene of an extremely serious crime.   Other organisations, such as Coventry Pride, were made aware of the charges and made sure he was not accepted as a volunteer or allowed to be engaged with the society.

It's pretty clear that David Challenor was a parasitic, perverted and predatory individual and that he was anywhere near any position of political authority is an important story.   The follow up to the story and the fallout from it could result in significant leadership changes within the Greens as well.

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25 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Challenor was a parasitic, perverted and predatory individual and that he was anywhere near any position of political authority is an important story.   The follow up to the story and the fallout from it could result in significant leadership changes within the Greens as well.

Aye the Green Party need to invest in minority report style pre cognition crime detection....

If people knew he was up on these charges and allowed him to continue then there are obviously questions to be asked. However the idea that political participation requires constant compliance and vetting is a dangerous proposition.

 

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Aimee Challenor opposed a motion to disqualify convicted criminals from membership of the Green Party following David's arrest. 

Anyone who supports disqualifying convicted criminals from membership of political parties is a moron. And should move to one of the horrible states in America that bar convicted felons from voting.

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Anyone who supports disqualifying convicted criminals from membership of political parties is a moron. And should move to one of the horrible states in America that bar convicted felons from voting.

Convicted criminals should be allowed to join political parties, but one would question the suitability of someone involved in child sexual offences being allowed to take a very active part in a political party. I understand that this would render a large number of tories unable to take part in politics, so perhaps this is a good thing.
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2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

What is he going to do, present his own alternative budget?  It will be the SNP government budget or no budget.

Rennie is an irrelevant wee fanny.

 

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Most of the remaining Lib Dems just seem to be spending most of their time now essentially admitting how terrible they are at their jobs, and that they need folk from other parties to form a new party so that they can just pack it in once and for all. 

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Surely the SNP will just give concessions to the Greens and get their budget through that way? Making the Lib Dem’s once again pointless.

Praying the Lib Dem’s change their leadership elections to allow non-members to stand. We could have John McDonnell manage them.

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