The Partick Thistle thread

[jagsfan57]

6 hours ago, Ad Lib said:

I think you’ve answered your own question.

Did it even cross the TJF boards mind ? 

[VictorOnopko]

53 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

Did it even cross the TJF boards mind ? 

With all due respect, your posts in the past few days which have attempted to portray the TJF as in some way incompetent, inactive, or to blame for Jacqui Low's mendacious power grab - followed now by the implication that they have disrespected the Queen - are deeply, deeply weird.

[jagsfan57]

3 hours ago, VictorOnopko said:

With all due respect, your posts in the past few days which have attempted to portray the TJF as in some way incompetent, inactive, or to blame for Jacqui Low's mendacious power grab - followed now by the implication that they have disrespected the Queen - are deeply, deeply weird.

It wasn’t me that brought up anything about disrespecting the Queen. If Baba Douche hadn’t done that, I wouldn’t have drawn any comparison to another organisation that wants to own the football club.

I have said many many times, it is a minority of the support that want fan ownership - at least at the moment. There is a lot of work for TJF to do to win over a large section of the fans, so they need to be on the ball with everything. 
 

[Thistle_do_nicely]

Wait am i being dumb, wasnt the initial post just poking fun at the fact that anything and everything the club + trust do can have "shady backroom deals, smoke and mirrors" jokes attributed to it?

Edited September 10, 2022 by Thistle_do_nicely

[baba douche]

59 minutes ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

Wait am i being dumb, wasnt the initial post just poking fun at the fact that anything and everything the club + trust do can have "shady backroom deals, smoke and mirrors" jokes attributed to it?

You are not being dumb.

[Thistle_do_nicely]

31 minutes ago, baba douche said:

You are not being dumb.

Makes a nice change, ha

[Fuctifano]

Linked with Joe Shaughnessy on loan which might suggest Brownlie's not progressing as hoped. 

[jagsfan57]

2 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

Wait am i being dumb, wasnt the initial post just poking fun at the fact that anything and everything the club + trust do can have "shady backroom deals, smoke and mirrors" jokes attributed to it?

And yet what it has done is highlight a possible failing in the TJF board. You know what they say about pointing a finger at someone - 4 are pointing straight back at yourself. 

[IR1970]

29 minutes ago, Fuctifano said:

Linked with Joe Shaughnessy on loan which might suggest Brownlie's not progressing as hoped. 

Ive said for a few weeks that Brownlie would be best out on loan if we could get another centre half in. He needs games.

[baba douche]

51 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

And yet what it has done is highlight a possible failing in the TJF board. You know what they say about pointing a finger at someone - 4 are pointing straight back at yourself. 

And yet TFJ haven't pointed a finger at anyone, so no fingers pointing back at them.

 

Unless you think I am a part of TJF? I'm a pay at the gate punter, for over 30 years. I've had a season ticket for 1 season (last year). I could POSSIBLY pick 1 member of either 'board' out of a line-up, although I know people that know them all.

I'm not especially interested in WHO runs the club, as long as they're open and honest about their intentions, and seen to have the best interests of the club at heart - something I think BOTH sides have fundamentally, but only one side has shown publicly. 

 

I do find your reasoning and general statements on this matter a bit strange if I'm honest - there seems to be only one person here with an ulterior motive...

[Reid]

3 hours ago, Fuctifano said:

Linked with Joe Shaughnessy on loan which might suggest Brownlie's not progressing as hoped. 

Would be a very good signing. Think we definitely need another CB in.

[Ad Lib]

11 hours ago, jagsfan57 said:

Did it even cross the TJF boards mind ? 

You're asking whether it crossed the minds of the TJF Board to make a statement about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the Foundation, Partick Thistle or Scottish football?

Not for even a fraction of a second. You are literally the first and only person I've encountered who even seems to think we should have considered it.

[Thistle Bonnet]

I don't often go to away games but bought a ticket for the game at Ayr today. I was less than pleased that as a football fan, I was in a group exclusively chosen for compulsory mourning.  It's probably unlikely that it will suit me to go to this game when it is re-arranged.

The decision for the absurd cancellation of all games in Scotland today was made by the Scottish Football Authorities. It will surprise nobody that Doncaster and his cohorts adopted a craven approach of appeasement and disregard for supporters' interests - they have history of this with broadcasters and the Old Firm.

Perhaps our PR Guru Chair and the Jags Trust guys have been lobbying the Authorities but they have been strangely silent. However I am a bit disappointed that TJF has not expressed a view. I am not a TJF member but am persuadable. However the main purpose of fan-based ownership is surely to speak up for the supporters...or do they agree that cancellation of games was appropriate? 

 

 

 

[Ad Lib]

Decisions about the postponement of fixtures has been for the SPFL. My understanding is that policing capacity may have played a part in the decision.

[Arnold Layne]

50 minutes ago, Thistle Bonnet said:

I don't often go to away games but bought a ticket for the game at Ayr today. I was less than pleased that as a football fan, I was in a group exclusively chosen for compulsory mourning.  It's probably unlikely that it will suit me to go to this game when it is re-arranged.

The decision for the absurd cancellation of all games in Scotland today was made by the Scottish Football Authorities. It will surprise nobody that Doncaster and his cohorts adopted a craven approach of appeasement and disregard for supporters' interests - they have history of this with broadcasters and the Old Firm.

Perhaps our PR Guru Chair and the Jags Trust guys have been lobbying the Authorities but they have been strangely silent. However I am a bit disappointed that TJF has not expressed a view. I am not a TJF member but am persuadable. However the main purpose of fan-based ownership is surely to speak up for the supporters...or do they agree that cancellation of games was appropriate? 

 

 

 

This is not a decision that impacts solely on Partick Thistle. As it affects all football supporters nationally and throughout the UK, it should be national supporters associations that speak out. 
Have the Scottish Football Supporters Association made a statement? The Football Supporters' Association in England have and they have the clout to make it into the national papers. I'm not sure what impact a statement from PTFC or TJF would have.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/09/football-supporters-association-postponements-tribute-to-queen-misssed-opportunity

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/10/fsa-calls-for-fans-refunded-as-football-postponed-after-queens-death

[jagsfan57]

12 hours ago, Ad Lib said:

You're asking whether it crossed the minds of the TJF Board to make a statement about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the Foundation, Partick Thistle or Scottish football?

Not for even a fraction of a second. You are literally the first and only person I've encountered who even seems to think we should have considered it.

Fair enough. However, I am not so sure that you are correct in your 1st paragraph.

[Thistle Bonnet]

16 hours ago, Ad Lib said:

Decisions about the postponement of fixtures has been for the SPFL. My understanding is that policing capacity may have played a part in the decision.

Decisions on policing capacity are clearly a Government issue - there was no instruction to the Football Authorities that all games should be postponed on this or any other basis. With regard to games next weekend, I would hope that the Club and any of the Supporters Association are putting forward a strong case that these should go ahead rather than a silent passive and tacit acceptance of decisions by those in power. 

[Ad Lib]

6 hours ago, Thistle Bonnet said:

Decisions on policing capacity are clearly a Government issue - there was no instruction to the Football Authorities that all games should be postponed on this or any other basis. With regard to games next weekend, I would hope that the Club and any of the Supporters Association are putting forward a strong case that these should go ahead rather than a silent passive and tacit acceptance of decisions by those in power. 

It's not quite as straightforward as that. Operational decisions about policing are made routinely between the footballing authorities and the police directly, rather than with political involvement, just as they are with any major organised public events. It seems as though, despite the long-standing preparations for this national event, they were caught a bit on the hop by the timing. It strikes me as a bit daft that games with lower attendance (like the PTWFC game TJF were sponsoring that was supposed to take place today) were postponed too, but at short notice it may have been thought easier just to postpone the lot for this weekend.

Speaking purely personally, I hope the game against Cove on Saturday can go ahead. I'm sure the Club also hopes this too, given how long a gap it would otherwise leave between home fixtures. But I'm sceptical that either the SPFL or Police Scotland, the key decision-makers in that respect, will pay any heed to supporters' associations calling for the games to go ahead. The matches will either happen because (a) the police have got their shit together and (b) football doesn't want to look silly for not going ahead while other major events do or they won't happen because either or both (a) and (b) don't materialise.

ETA: something that's Scottish specific here is that the additional policing requirements in Edinburgh this week would not have been needed had the Queen passed at Windsor or one of her English residencies. As I understand it, for example, there will be a significantly elevated armed police presence in Edinburgh over the next few days, which will disrupt several businesses in the vicinity of the City Centre.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ad Lib
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[Jag71]

On 10/09/2022 at 14:53, IR1970 said:

Ive said for a few weeks that Brownlie would be best out on loan if we could get another centre half in. He needs games.

It would be a good idea to get Brownlie out on loan - if we can get cover.

However, the first thing he needs to do is lose weight. He has had plenty time to do this since he started training again.

[IR1970]

2 hours ago, Jag71 said:

It would be a good idea to get Brownlie out on loan - if we can get cover.

However, the first thing he needs to do is lose weight. He has had plenty time to do this since he started training again.

Archie touched on this at beginning of the season. After his injury they cant run him at training and will only get fit and match sharpness playing games.