For Your Pies Only Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, welldaft said: Well technically you do not believe in second chances if it comes with conditions. That's not really true though, is it? The whole principle of rehabilitation in the UK is underpinned by the disclosure system where convictions for certain types of offences preclude employment in certain sectors. So someone covicted of fraud or theft would be allowed to re-enter the workforce after serving their sentence/paying their fine (their 'second chance') but would not be allowed to work in finance for example, or in posts where they were responsible for cash or budgets, even if they had worked in those kind of positions before. I don't think it's a massive leap form there to say that Mackay is welcome to work in football in some capacity but that he would not be a suitable fit as a manager of a fan-owned community club like ours. That's not a contradiction. Either way, it's a big red NO from me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Marinello said: evidenced rehabilitation [1] Citation needed. From memory it was "Blowing off steam", and "banter", rather than an actual apology. I found it surreal that he got a gig at the SFA, I empathise with County fans fuming about it when appointed, I don't think I'll be going back to Fir Park if he's appointed. 1 hour ago, DeadStar said: Heard some rumblings about Mark Fotheringham... Thoughts? He once bought his sister a horse and it ran around Fintry for a bit. Apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebonce Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Malky is on to a good thing at Ross County, all things considered. He is well backed by the chairman and, despite the initial furore, his strategy of completely avoiding the elephant in the room has worked. Having said that, he will have seen from Goodwillie's move to Raith Rovers that it isn't as easy to launder your reputation through being good at your job as maybe it used to be. County have a mostly mild-mannered , ageing support and don't typically have the volume of people to stage an effective protest: a good environment for someone of his reputation to work in. I think he is aware of that and would have to choose his next job very carefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, capt_oats said: What's interesting about this to me is that it means whoever is getting the job has a completely clean slate when it comes to coaching staff which is pretty unusual for us. For the most part the incoming manager has inherited staff - as it stands there are vacancies for assistant manager, first team coach and now goalkeeper coach. Confirmed on the official. What it tells me is that everything is done and dusted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, santheman said: What it tells me is that everything is done and dusted. Aye it has a heavy whiff of the new guy having his own ideas about coaches. Can someone nearby check for white smoke coming out the FP chimney? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Al B said: Aye it has a heavy whiff of the new guy having his own ideas about coaches. Can someone nearby check for white smoke coming out the FP chimney? For anyone looking, it's not in the main stand "due to its wooden construction". I think we're gonna be pleasantly surprised as to who rocks up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RostokMcSpoons Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kapowzer said: I think we're gonna be pleasantly surprised as to who rocks up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in Motherwell Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kapowzer said: For anyone looking, it's not in the main stand "due to its wooden construction". I think we're gonna be pleasantly surprised as to who rocks up. There stands a man who is very #ITK. Details please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, RostokMcSpoons said: I hope part of their coaching team includes this fella: We need some divine inspiration and demons exorcised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, one m in Motherwell said: There stands a man who is very #ITK. Details please. The baguette filler in Upper Crust knows more than me mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Has Rab McKinnon announced the new guy on FB yet?Talking of socials, are there just more miserable c***s on the socials thesedays, or is it just our fans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 hours ago, eliphas said: Re comments on Flow/McMahon and contract - More to do with the contract breaks/clauses being performance related. Clubs hands were tied in as much sacking in summer would have meant full compo or thereabouts. Exiting the Europa League and/or poor start to the league season would have gave them wiggle room. Alexander did a really come to them in the end and a deal was done. Should also be said, although both those guys lead the club and decisions, the whole board are involved in the decisions. Your finger seems to be on the pulse with respect to Alexander’s contract intricacies. So would the full compo been in excess of a progression to Q3? Let’s not kid ourselves, if Flao and McMahon approach the board with strong support for something, it’s gonna carry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Someone flagged this on Steelmen but it's probably worth a mention. That was Kerr talking in his post-match about "We've seen real attack minded, fast flowing football going forward and that's how we want, as a club here, our teams to be playing." In and of itself it's a general platitude but given the post-Alexander messaging from Hammell and recently SOD about style it feels like it's something we're consciously leaning into. What that actually means or how it plays out IDK but it really feels like we're doing our best to distance ourselves as far as possible from Alexanderball. Edited August 10, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu92 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, DeadStar said: Heard some rumblings about Mark Fotheringham... Thoughts? Where are you hearing said rumblings? Would not be surprised if it had surfaced somewhere after someone read this thread yesterday. I’d be relatively pleased with that I think given his coaching career so far, despite none of it being as a manager. 4 hours ago, welldaft said: Reading between the lines and from the tweet from yesterday Valakari would require even greater compensation so not sure how that is a starter. I stand to be corrected, but if Simo is as desperate for the gig as he appears to be he could resign from his current job. He’d receive no pay off from them but they’d receive no compo from us. That’s maybe over simplified but may be something he would need to consider to make it happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, stu92 said: I stand to be corrected, but if Simo is as desperate for the gig as he appears to be he could resign from his current job. He’d receive no pay off from them but they’d receive no compo from us. That’s maybe over simplified but may be something he would need to consider to make it happen. I'm fairly certain that canny happen otherwise compensation would never be paid for any player or manager? There will be conditions of ending the contract with obligations on both parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, eliphas said: Re comments on Flow/McMahon and contract - More to do with the contract breaks/clauses being performance related. Clubs hands were tied in as much sacking in summer would have meant full compo or thereabouts. Exiting the Europa League and/or poor start to the league season would have gave them wiggle room. Alexander did a really come to them in the end and a deal was done. Should also be said, although both those guys lead the club and decisions, the whole board are involved in the decisions. I don't really understand this. In what way would getting knocked out of Europe be likely to be contractually relevant to the sacking of a coach who took over a club bottom of the league? Find that hard to believe. It's unlikely to have been in his contract that he can be binned if they get knocked out of ECL in the qualifiers. Agreeing to a clause like this would be allowing himself to be fired for being successful then losing one tie. Since they didn't play any other competitive games under him after finishing fifth in the league, this basically means he'd have had to agree to a clause that said 'if you're successful, you put yourself on a tightrope'. Surely only plausible if Alexander has the world's worst agent. Edited August 10, 2022 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, capt_oats said: Tbh, I half-wonder if Josh Morris has held on to his receipt and looking at the small print of his contract given he's almost certainly here because of his previous with Alexander. I actually wondered if Morris was part of the reason he's been mutually consented. Not single handedly obviously, but as part of the bigger picture of giving Alexander the summer to fix things, change style, bring in quality. I don't want to sound harsh as Ive not seen enough of Morris to judge, but the board / senior players / Hammell etc will have a better view. I wonder if the board thought we gave him a few quid from the kitty to see what he would do with it and he's fucked it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, standupforthemotherwell said: Now we're fuckin TALKING. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: Now we're fuckin TALKING. MvdG ….. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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