Busta Nut Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Black_and_White_Stripes said: Woah! Where did that come from? I actually like Motherwell. Along with Killie, I see you basically as a sister club - similar size, close to Glasgow and with a decent, hardcore support. Like us you're owned primarily by the fans. I love what Burrows had done with the club. That's despite a minority of your fans acting like bampots when they come to Paisley. You seem too sensible for this particular period mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Fan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Horrendous tackle by Dunne IMHO. Instructed to wipe out 'contain" Mika in remaining minutes. After 40 minutes against Hibs, he was targeted for rough house treatment in this match. From Dunne who has spent so much time injured himself, it bordered reckless to career threatening. Seriously fu*ked off! Who will now send up young talent from England with these thuggish tactics. Anyway, SK has a problem now. The recently signed front players are either jured or imo not good enough. New recruitment required urgently with a first choice forward. The excitement of Mika has been literally "stamped out" before he got started. Speedy recovery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceiling Granny Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 How curious. A congregation of middle-aged men whose voices haven't broken. As you were.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Drooper said: How curious. A congregation of middle-aged men whose voices haven't broken. As you were.... Thanks for your eminent wisdom Drooper. 8 hours ago, Black_and_White_Stripes said: Woah! Where did that come from? I actually like Motherwell. Along with Killie, I see you basically as a sister club - similar size, close to Glasgow and with a decent, hardcore support. Like us you're owned primarily by the fans. I love what Burrows had done with the club. That's despite a minority of your fans acting like bampots when they come to Paisley. Is it really that hard for St Mirren fans to understand that we might be a little upset at losing what looked like our best forward for several months before he actually played 90 minutes for us. Made worse by the fact that Obika is also injured. So we have two functioning forwards trying to find their feet and probably only one would be 1st choice. Remains to be seen which one. I don’t think Dunne purposefully set out to injure anyone, but it was a reckless challenge. I have also see similar challenges where the fouled player gets up and walks away so it was unfortunate for Biereth and us that he is now out for up to 3 months. We might be overreacting (a little) and some comments are said with tongue firmly in cheek. But again in EXACTLY the same circumstances many St Mirren fans would have reacted in EXACTLY the same way. Come on here pretending anything other is disengenious or in simpler terms utter bollox. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Let's draw a line under it I say. On the fitba, will be interesting to see what we do on Saturday. Could force a change of thinking. Kettlewell must see it doesn't really work with slow wing backs and the two strikers we have left. I'm sitting here on the train racking my brains about how how we could set up in a different way to make things a bit more fluid and creative mid to front. Only think I can think is in the absence of any senior strikers other than Wilko and Bair is either: - Try Efford through the middle, off one of Bair/Wilko. Just to offer something different. - Push a midfielder right up behind them as a 10 to try and link things a little more and not just rely on the wing backs. Spittal really the only man for that job I'd say given we have emptied the others who could do that - Drop a striker, stick an extra man in midfield and hope that means the likes of Slattery and Spittal can both get further forward more. ...or, in a twist, 4-3-3....which has some major negatives also SOD McGinn Casey Souare Spittal Miller Slattery Efford Wilko Bair. All thoughts posted for debate and discussion only. I think SK will probably stick with 5-3-2, put Miller back in, and hope it works. Edited August 23, 2023 by eliphas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Efford is done anaw. He's a crock who has attitude problems (reading between the lines) We need another forward. Who's mobile with some pace. As pointed out we need pace in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I like McGinn but I'd be somewhat wary of playing him at centre-back in a two. I can't see him changing shape anytime soon. We'll just carry on as we have done as Mika never started a game anyway. I still think Wilkinson has something. He just looks like he's playing in slow motion. He needs to get up to speed with the Scottish game pronto. Also, as much as l like both SOD and Souare, we need someone (anyone!) with bit of pace down the sides so hopefully we're still in the market for a Penney/Furlong type player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Took in the EKFC game against Celtic B last night, Hammell was there in a Celtic capacity, Snodgrass was there in 'some' capacity. Didn't appear to be any sour grapes since the public transfer saga. If your EK, worth taking a game in, very entertaining team to watch this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: Efford is done anaw. He's a crock who has attitude problems (reading between the lines) We need another forward. Who's mobile with some pace. As pointed out we need pace in general. I'm not 100% sure he has massive attitude issues. Think it's more Kettlewell trying to manage players out so he can get more in who fit his system and there's some more wiling to leave than others (see Tierney as an example). Efford wages a bit of a stumbling block to easily move him on loan it seems vs the likes of Tierney 5 minutes ago, Desp said: I like McGinn but I'd be somewhat wary of playing him at centre-back in a two. I can't see him changing shape anytime soon. We'll just carry on as we have done as Mika never started a game anyway. I still think Wilkinson has something. He just looks like he's playing in slow motion. He needs to get up to speed with the Scottish game pronto. Also, as much as l like both SOD and Souare, we need someone (anyone!) with bit of pace down the sides so hopefully we're still in the market for a Penney/Furlong type player. Agreed to be honest on the back 4. Same on Wilko. I do think he needs someone creative or more direct beside him though. Brodie Spencer from Huddersfield is who i heard. But not sure what's happening there at the moment. Right wing back. Edited August 23, 2023 by eliphas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayWell Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If everyone is fit, I would imagine Saturday's team will be the same team that started against Hibs, with hopefully some new options from the bench. Don't see us moving away from 3-5-2. After the chasni pie, I'd like to see a more bold tactical move from the catering staff, perhaps moving to a South Indian garlic chilli based snack. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosser1886 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, MurrayWell said: If everyone is fit, I would imagine Saturday's team will be the same team that started against Hibs, with hopefully some new options from the bench. Don't see us moving away from 3-5-2. After the chasni pie, I'd like to see a more bold tactical move from the catering staff, perhaps moving to a South Indian garlic chilli based snack. Agree, he'll go back to what worked in the first game and what worked last season. Minus any real forward threat to come off the bench since Mika has been crocked. Mad how your optimism can go backwards so much following one poor game. In my book SK was entitled to try something a bit different in this game with the league, and remaining in it, being the main focus. As it is every year, at least at the start of the season. He hasn't done much wrong so far so still have massive faith in the guy. Time for the forwards we have to step up and also to get some pace back in the team especially with the full backs. Hopefully he is still looking to get some others in as well, especially a body to replace Mika. I'm guessing that he will go back to his parent club to recover? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Desp said: I like McGinn but I'd be somewhat wary of playing him at centre-back in a two. I can't see him changing shape anytime soon. We'll just carry on as we have done as Mika never started a game anyway. I still think Wilkinson has something. He just looks like he's playing in slow motion. He needs to get up to speed with the Scottish game pronto. Also, as much as l like both SOD and Souare, we need someone (anyone!) with bit of pace down the sides so hopefully we're still in the market for a Penney/Furlong type player. I'd stick McGinn in the middle of the three, I think. He's absolutely the most dependable and predictable of our centre-halfs. Him, Casey and Blaney would be my preferred three, I think. Totally agree on Wilkinson as well. The addition of some width and pace would open up the park for him enormously, as there's no fear from other teams of getting burned for pace anywhere. The loss of Johnson and Furlong has really hurt us in that regard. Pape and SODs are willing runners, but neither of them are going to give anyone but Lewis Stevenson concern with running. There have been a couple of times where Wilkinson has broken free but been caught. He needs to figure out how to use his body a little better to collect some fouls/holding up for our players to catch up. The addition of some pace is vital though, it'll help Spittal by giving him options, it'll help Wilkinson, it'll just unsettle a team a bit more to break their block, so lets... get that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 It would be madness to ditch 3-5-2 off the basis of one stinker and I'll eat my metaphorical hat should SK even consider it. He'll go back to square pegs in square holes from what we have, keep it solid and see if we can nick one more than them. It may or may not work but regardless I'm quite confident we'll set out as we should on Saturday. In general, though, the point about pace is spot on. It doesn't have to be Humphrey-esque but there needs to be at least one wing-back who can stretch their legs at a minimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I can't see Ketts ripping something up that has clearly been working in response to a 1-0 defeat away to a close rival and a 3 month injury layoff to Biereth - but like others I'd assume he is prioritising some pace in what he'll be bringing on over the next week. I think pacy forward and pacy wingback would be the most logical way to spend whatever budget we have left. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think Furlong has gone anywhere yet - so unless Brighton have burst their international loans quota, I think I'll stay hopeful on that (even if it remains unlikely). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 We won't change anything tactically, we need additions though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 For the sake of more debate..has it/the system and players in it this season worked really? I'd argue it's laboured more than worked. - Dundee game wasnt great imo. Watched the full 90 while 'on holiday'. We got a draw but only 3 shots on target. Conditions maybe in play as it was horrendous. - Hibs looked destined for 0-0 until Biereth came on. I enjoyed large parts of that game and we did play pretty nicely in parts mainly down to Slattery turning up in midfield. But overall without Mika bursting on how would we be sitting and feeling? -St Mirren. Forced and unforced errors for SK. No shots on target and out the cup It's still better than Hammell's reign. But it's not reaching the heights of post Hammell Ketts and for all the reasons folk have mentioned Believe it or not, I am pretty positive overall. But it just feels like we are teetering slightly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: We won't change anything tactically, we need additions though. Basically this is summary. Concise. haha Edited August 23, 2023 by eliphas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Hard agree that we're not changing things tactically. Tbh, there's no real reason to. It didn't happen on Saturday but there are at least reason as to why that was the case - rejigging the defence and Big Mika not being ready to start are probably the obvious ones. Either way, the fact that we brought in Biereth at the very least shows that we knew that he (or a player like him) was/is what was/is needed to pair with one of Wilkinson/Obika/Bair - so that's fine. He was brought in as our first pick #9 as there's not a chance Arsenal were sending him up here to get 15 mins off the bench or whatever so like it or not we're now down a first choice starter. I guess the problem is that given a deal like that probably took a while to sort out and was presumably viewed as the final jigsaw piece for our forward options - I can't imagine we'd have been expecting to need to find an alternative with a week or so of the window to go. I mean, I'm sure they exist and there are probably iterations of Mika kicking about the various EPL academies but it's a pain in the arse that we probably hadn't planned for. The wing-back stuff makes sense purely from a numbers POV. Assuming McGinn is now viewed as a fixture in the back 3 after Saturday (if he's not, he should be) it leaves us with only Soaré and SOD as our WB options given Kettlewell didn't seem up for fucking around and finding out with either McGinley or Wilson dropped in to big Pape's role (which is understandable). 8 minutes ago, eliphas said: For the sake of more debate..has it/the system and players in it this season worked really? I'd argue it's laboured more than worked. It's still better than Hammell's reign. But it's not reaching the heights of post Hammell Ketts and for all the reasons folk have mentioned Believe it or not, I am pretty positive overall. But it just feels like we are teetering slightly I'd say it's a case of it's not *not* worked. It's fine but it's missing the parts that make it work as well as it did. Biereth was clearly one of those things and I'd imagine that the WBs were what we were planning on addressing in the next week. Edited August 23, 2023 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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