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Comparisons to Connolly are bizarre. No-one knows what Davidson would be like as a manager, though the board will have a better idea than most. It was their knowledge of Tommy's relationship with the players that justified his appointment.
Over the last 60 years we've hardly ever promoted from within, so it's hardly certain we'd take that route anyway. Our own history is no indication of whether it would be successful. Sometimes it works (McInnes, Wright); sometimes it doesn't (McLelland, Gibson).
Ex-players are a universally bad idea (evidence for the prosecution: Connolly and Rennie). Managers with a decent record poached from other teams are historically almost as bad (Alex Totten a rare example of success in a desperate field that contains Connolly, Clark, Storrie and Jacky Stewart).
If we could rely on history as a guide to future performance I'd go for a recently-retired player, most likely to be coaching at another club: Brown, Ormond, Sturrock, Coyle and Lomas have been our only managers in the last 60 years to have come directly from that environment. Every one a success.

I agree with all of this apart from the bit about Rennie. He won the first division with a part time team, then came close to keeping us up when we were still part-time. He brought through McCoist and sold him for a fortune. The board gave him no backing despite also selling Beedie for good money. The demise of Saints at that time was more the board's fault than his in my eyes.
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5 minutes ago, The Marly said:


I agree with all of this apart from the bit about Rennie. He won the first division with a part time team, then came close to keeping us up when we were still part-time. He brought through McCoist and sold him for a fortune. The board gave him no backing despite also selling Beedie for good money. The demise of Saints at that time was more the board's fault than his in my eyes.

Saints tumble down the divisions at this time was as much the boards fault than the managers.....probably more so.

Brown saved Saints from oblivion. 

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2 hours ago, The Marly said:

I agree with all of this apart from the bit about Rennie. He won the first division with a part time team, then came close to keeping us up when we were still part-time. He brought through McCoist and sold him for a fortune. The board gave him no backing despite also selling Beedie for good money. The demise of Saints at that time was more the board's fault than his in my eyes.

Yeah, Rennie’s difficult. Undoubted success in the early years: picking up Storrie’s debris to turn perennial relegation fodder into something really exciting; even losing McCoist didn’t stop us pipping Hearts to the First Division title. And as the only part-time team in the Premier Saints were always going to struggle; no fault there.

But he stayed too long. You can’t whitewash successive relegations. That’s a black mark no other Saints manager has ever had.

In the end it comes down to whether he left us worse off than when he joined us. Unquestionably, he did.

 

 

ETA: Rennie didn't sign McCoist - I think that was Alex Stuart, the manager I'd forgotten about. He came from Ayr United and was another failure, so still fits in with the theory that we should nick other club's managers.

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Jeezo one comment has fairly caused a fair bit of interest in this thread. I was only trying to say I feel CD would be a bad appointment and could see a similar spiral downwards that happened following JC appointment. I have nothing to base this on other than a gut feeling.

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Yeah, Rennie’s difficult. Undoubted success in the early years: picking up Storrie’s debris to turn perennial relegation fodder into something really exciting; even losing McCoist didn’t stop us pipping Hearts to the First Division title. And as the only part-time team in the Premier Saints were always going to struggle; no fault there.

But he stayed too long. You can’t whitewash successive relegations. That’s a black mark no other Saints manager has ever had.

In the end it comes down to whether he left us worse off than when he joined us. Unquestionably, he did.

 

 

ETA: Rennie didn't sign McCoist - I think that was Alex Stuart, the manager I'd forgotten about. He came from Ayr United and was another failure, so still fits in with the theory that we should nick other club's managers.


He didn't take over from Storrie either[emoji57]
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2 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Better get that passport renewed, then. Armenia beckons.

Too early to say that.

Hopefully we beat Partick next weekend at a sun soaked McDiarmid Park in front of 5,843 fans to seal the deal. Everyone should bring their passports to hold above their heads as the players emerge from the tunnel to the sound of Europe - Final Countdown.

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10 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

Too early to say that.

Hopefully we beat Partick next weekend at a sun soaked McDiarmid Park in front of 5,843 fans to seal the deal. Everyone should bring their passports to hold above their heads as the players emerge from the tunnel to the sound of Europe - Final Countdown.

Hearts still have to play Celtic and Rangers away, as well as ourselves. My flights to Armenia are already booked.

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