craigkillie Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 This must be the easiest gig in the world for MacLean if he can lose 4-0 at home to a League 1 team and folk still blame the previous manager for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, tree house tam said: Fans of clubs looking in, we knew this was going to happen 18 months ago, it's not news to us. Steve Brown(known as bulletproof) took the huff while chairman, it's his dads club and he couldn't/didn't want to run it. He put a glorified salesman pal, who's only football credentials were he coached a couple of amateur teams in charge, he's known as Flax. Flax as all salesmen are, was a complete gobshite, who would tell you what he thought you wanted to hear, as well as being totally incapable of doing the actual job he blabbed his way into. Bulletproof, now concentrating on his 2 bob sparky business, which ironically his dad gave him too, tells Flax he's the man dealing with everything and has free reign to use the cash from player sales and our rainy day fund to let 'The Hobbit' (Davidson) build his dream team. Now the hobbit is a glorified cone collector and he's actually a good one of those, god I wished he'd stayed doing that. Anyway he doesn't have a clue about how to build a side so just picked a formation and stuck to it, shame he didn't have any players who could play it. The daft c**t couldn't even bring in players to play it. He brought in guys he had heard about, guys who he had played against, problem is he was in his 40s so most of these players were past it. He did supplement it with players who either played for Millwall or that their manager knew, which was nice. Showed he had loads of contacts in the game. Flax, wanting to please the hobbit, and with his new sense of worth and authority sanctioned everything the cone collector wanted and at any price. Saints were agents/clubs/players dream, the daft gruesome twosome have tag teamed the decades second most successful club. The fans have voiced their concerns, put banners up and even fucking boycotted. Eventually change has happened and I for one am fucking delighted. Sounds like a cross between 'lord of the rings' and 'Minder' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, craigkillie said: This must be the easiest gig in the world for MacLean if he can lose 4-0 at home to a League 1 team and folk still blame the previous manager for it. Do we all need to explain it again for the 12th time? There is no money for the current manager because Davidson and his pal have spent it on shite. Multi million pound losses. Both have now been removed from their jobs. The whole Rangers cup ticket fiasco was their attempt to claw money back from the mess they'd made. Davidson spent more in fees than the last 20 years combined and NONE of those players are still at the club. We've also got guys on multi year deals with incredibly inflated wages. The current chairman who took over in the summer said he couldn't quite believe what he was seeing when he returned to the club as he was on the board before. Edited July 30, 2023 by SJFCtheTeamForMe 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Widge Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 I think those clips of Gordon show a major issue. The manager has in no way asked him to shell the ball out of play multiple times a game, yet he’s continually doing it. All the manager can do is find a solution to stop him, but he’s not on the field and can’t think for Gordon. There is a fundamental issue with a number of the players that does stem from the previous management and the lack of confidence, which is one of the big red flags about appointing the assistant from the previous failed regime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just now, PSJ.84 said: Exactly what I was saying. Brown should be nearer the D and the other lad, Ferguson maybe could even burst a guy to cover for Brown. They just don't bother their arse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankChickens1 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 20 hours ago, FrankChickens1 said: Contrast with Parker who was probably the one to lose his man for the first, was lost for the second, and has misplaced a few passes, but I would probably put ahead of Gordon and Considine just now (even if we'll go down in the process). This remains my view, as amended. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, craigkillie said: This must be the easiest gig in the world for MacLean if he can lose 4-0 at home to a League 1 team and folk still blame the previous manager for it. Hes hamstrung by what he was left. He can only sign 3/4 players and that means he's inevitably going to be stuck playing those who've been a big part of our failings in the last 2 seasons. Defensively Liam Gordons been a liability for a long time now, can't win physical battles, doesn't organise the defence, can't do anything with the ball. Considine can't turn or run at any sort of pace and is losing his ability to jump too. Parker is a raw kid whos never played above League Two. Hes tried to sign other CBs but the budgets been cut we can't compete with other top flight sides, do you think he just watched folk like Deas and Shaughnessy sign elsewhere happily? You add the fact hes got a weak, thin, squad in with the fact these players have been drilled for 2+ years into one single shape we no longer play, a style of play based around being safe and conservative, and we've struggled against relegation for 2yrs too, and its just a shitshow. There was nothing tactically wrong with us yesterday, the quality just wasn't there. Confidence within the squad is virtually nil and it just takes one body blow for them to collapse, and its been that way for years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: Do we all need to explain it again for the 12th time? There is no money for the current manager because Davidson and his pal have spent it on shite. Multi million pound losses. Both have now been removed from their jobs. The whole Rangers cup ticket fiasco was there attempt to claw money back from the mess they'd made. Davidson spent more in fees than the last 20 years combined and NONE of those players are still at the club. We've also got guys on multi year deals with incredibly inflated wages. Both can be true though. MacLean isn’t blameless for the shitshow of the last 27 months. In isolation, he has to take a lot of the flak for yesterday. The bigger picture is that he is effectively working with both hands tied behind his back, thanks to Davidson. Maybe it had to be done due to financial restrictions, but to attempt to turn over a squad in one window shows incredible naivety imo. Like Craig said, he’s virtually getting a free pass from me due to the fuckwit before him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: Exactly what I was saying. Brown should be nearer the D and the other lad, Ferguson maybe could even burst a guy to cover for Brown. They just don't bother their arse. Sinclair should be reading it and being further out too IMO, although he shouldn't be beaten as easily as he was either. Both goals originate from Stirling being brave and swamping Phillips area of the park knowing hes alone in there so if the balls lost they have numbers attacking our backline. Its not an issue if the players on the park are capable of keeping the ball for more than a couple of passes, as they should be able too against a side tiers below us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RandomGuy. Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, PSJ.84 said: This is it. The fanbase split over Davidson and its not going to recover anytime soon, so this season will see people on both sides sniping at the other every time we win/lose. Its another reason i think we're doomed this season. The support in the stadium wont be there for the team during struggles this season now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 The question will be that if it goes horrendously, which it looks like will, then do we stick with MacLean? Or try bringing in someone with more experience after the first 10 games or so? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: This must be the easiest gig in the world for MacLean if he can lose 4-0 at home to a League 1 team and folk still blame the previous manager for it. Just like Kilmarnock fans were blaming Tommy Wright for much of last season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Saintee said: The question will be that if it goes horrendously, which it looks like will, then do we stick with MacLean? Or try bringing in someone with more experience after the first 10 games or so? I’d be sticking with him. We have to try and regain some form of direction and stability is probably the easiest way of doing that. It’s a very fine line though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 30, 2023 Author Share Posted July 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Saintee said: The question will be that if it goes horrendously, which it looks like will, then do we stick with MacLean? Or try bringing in someone with more experience after the first 10 games or so? I don't think we can really afford to ditch Maclean to be honest. Putting faith in him is a huge gamble for the club that we're going to have to hope pays off. We ended last season strongly and the 3 signings we have made look decent so hopefully he will come good. There may come a point where he needs to seriously consider... a back 3. It probably suits the defenders we currently have best and we all want him to show more flexibility in his shape than Davidson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 hours ago, The Saintee said: Aye. Because Davidson is a fool and Goodwin,for all his faults, could at least tell he was absolutely done at this level. We offered him a year, which was agreed. Agent came back and demanded two years and 50% extra per week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: We offered him a year, which was agreed. Agent came back and demanded two years and 50% extra per week. Saints gave him it. Some of it anyway. Considine has been the least of our worries. As it stands at 35 he's the first choice central defender at the club. Not sure if that says more about the others than it does him? He's never had pace but somewhat makes up for that with his positional play. He's made a few mistakes as well but will put his body on the line etc. He'll probably make another 30+ appearances this season where one week he'll look absolutely past it then weeks he looks solid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: Saints gave him it. Some of it anyway. Considine has been the least of our worries. As it stands at 35 he's the first choice central defender at the club. Not sure if that says more about the others than it does him? He's never had pace but somewhat makes up for that with his positional play. He's made a few mistakes as well but will put his body on the line etc. He'll probably make another 30+ appearances this season where one week he'll look absolutely past it then weeks he looks solid. Can he beat last season's total of...2 penalties, 2 OGs and 2 red cards? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: Saints gave him it. Some of it anyway. Considine has been the least of our worries. As it stands at 35 he's the first choice central defender at the club. Not sure if that says more about the others than it does him? He's never had pace but somewhat makes up for that with his positional play. He's made a few mistakes as well but will put his body on the line etc. He'll probably make another 30+ appearances this season where one week he'll look absolutely past it then weeks he looks solid. Disagree with this. Up until about his injury in February he was decent. However, since then he’s been done. He’s not the only one who’s been shite though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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