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[Grangemouth Bairn]

7 minutes ago, AJF said:

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to come out and say otherwise. What impression would it give to the fans if Beale came out and said I need help?

There were already concerns amongst the fanbase about his lack of experience, so that would intensify the pressure and scrutiny he is under.

I've no qualms with criticising the board for not appointing a new DoF as yet, but you just seem fixated on holding Beale accountable for that.

He doesn’t need help. He’s already said that publicly. He’s good enough to do both roles and bring success.
 

I’m just surprised he may start the season with Davies and Barisic in his back 4.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Grangemouth Bairn

[kingjoey]

4 hours ago, PossilYM said:

Rangers Women 11 (Eleven) Queens Park 0

Considering that the discussion had previously never mentioned the Women's team that a weird post.

[kennie makevin]

13 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

No one had heard of a World Cup semi finalist prior to him coming to Celtic? Especially one with such distinguishing features? Pretty shocking statement that Kennie

Brazilians on the other hand when they come to Scotland can tend to be a bit Scheidt

But the question was what excites him not if he knew who he was mate 

The rewriter of history strikes again. Ask the average Old Firm fan in 1996 who Henrik Larsson was and you would probably have got answers ranging from "Abba's drummer' to 'marketing director of IKEA". The point was that anyone could have said exactly the same about Larsson in 1997. Highly unlikely of course that this new Rangers guy is in the same mould as Henrik but it is always better to be wise after the event.

Edited July 27, 2023 by kennie makevin
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[AJF]

3 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

He doesn’t need help. He’s already said that publicly.
 

I’m just surprised he may start the season with Davies and Barisic in his back 4.

Again, I think you are focussed on criticising Beale here for something innocuous. As I said before, if he came out and said he did need help he'd simply be intensifying the pressure on himself. He is working with the hand he has been dealt with in regards to the DoF situation.

[Grangemouth Bairn]

2 minutes ago, AJF said:

Again, I think you are focussed on criticising Beale here for something innocuous. As I said before, if he came out and said he did need help he'd simply be intensifying the pressure on himself. He is working with the hand he has been dealt with in regards to the DoF situation.

I just think it’s a bold statement for an inexperienced manager to make publicly. As I said if he qualifies for the CL groups he’ll have achieved his first objective. If not, maybe the 2 roles are to big for him.

[AJF]

3 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

I just think it’s a bold statement for an inexperienced manager to make publicly. As I said if he qualifies for the CL groups he’ll have achieved his first objective. If not, maybe the 2 roles are to big for him.

That's a very simplistic way of looking at it, although it's not entirely wide of the mark. The fact that we will likely need to face Marseille or PSV to get there means even the most experienced of managers would be at risk of going out, never mind one that has effectively had to rebuild the team in a single window.

Edited July 27, 2023 by AJF

[Grangemouth Bairn]

2 minutes ago, AJF said:

That's a very simplistic way of looking at it, although it's not entirely wide of the mark. The fact that we will likely need to face Marseille or PSV to get there means even the most experienced of managers would be at risk of going out.

GVB was able to negotiate through to the group stages therefore I’d fully expect a guy who the media have all said is a step up from GVB and also good enough to do manager and DoF roles to be able to do the same for you.

[bennett]

Grangey does have a habit of fixating about our managers, Gerrard, Gio and now Beale. 

 

 

[AJF]

1 minute ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

GVB was able to negotiate through to the group stages therefore I’d fully expect a guy who the media have all said is a step up from GVB and also good enough to do manager and DoF roles to be able to do the same for you.

I don't feel that we are debating in good faith here any longer. You are focussing on things that Beale has no control over. Additionally, you were one of GVB's biggest critics, but now he is used as a benchmark because it suits the argument that you are making. For all his flaws, GVB was very good in Europe for us.

You seem to wilfully ignore any of the context I've tried to give and fall back to the default position of "Beale said this so he must be great". Citing the club's failure to appoint a new DoF as a criticism of Beale, using the media's judgement of his managerial ability as a stick to beat him with and now using results from a period before joined the club as another. None of these things Beale can control.

[Grangemouth Bairn]

2 minutes ago, AJF said:

I don't feel that we are debating in good faith here any longer. You are focussing on things that Beale has no control over. Additionally, you were one of GVB's biggest critics, but now he is used as a benchmark because it suits the argument that you are making. For all his flaws, GVB was very good in Europe for us.

You seem to wilfully ignore any of the context I've tried to give and fall back to the default position of "Beale said this so he must be great". Citing the club's failure to appoint a new DoF as a criticism of Beale, using the media's judgement of his managerial ability as a stick to beat him with and now using results from a period before joined the club as another. None of these things Beale can control.

He can control the results in the CL qualifiers though. He’s more than good enough to do both jobs so whether it be Marseille or PSV (should you advance) you’ll be fine.

[AJF]

4 minutes ago, AJF said:

I don't feel that we are debating in good faith here any longer.

 

Just now, Grangemouth Bairn said:

He can control the results in the CL qualifiers though. He’s more than good enough to do both jobs so whether it be Marseille or PSV (should you advance) you’ll be fine.

Pointless continuing 

[kingjoey]

1 hour ago, muirkirk nil said:

 

My favourite bit is C*ntwell holding his injured leg after the penalty challenge. And the commentary, obviously. 

[Grangemouth Bairn]

Just now, AJF said:

 

Pointless continuing 

Agreed. If he negotiates both rounds I’ll admit I was wrong and he’s big and experienced enough to do both roles.

[Jinky67]

33 minutes ago, kennie makevin said:

The rewriter of history strikes again. Ask the average Old Firm fan in 1996 who Henrik Larsson was and you would probably have got answers ranging from "Abba's drummer' to 'marketing director of IKEA". The point was that anyone could have said exactly the same about Larsson in 1997. Highly unlikely of course that this new Rangers guy is in the same mould as Henrik but it is always better to be wise after the event.

Mate I’m starting to wonder if you watch football at all. USA 94 was huge on TV and there was a decent enough interest in Sweden over here especially after Euro 92 with them beating England and getting to the semis and Brolin becoming a big star. 

This was also still the age of Panini sticker books and if you asked anyone especially anyone of school age with their pockets laden with fitba stickers they could have told you exactly who Rene Higuita, Alexi Lalas, Henrik Larsson or a Yordan Letchkov was. 

And mate IKEA didn’t open in Scotland until 99 so I’d imagine your average Celtic or Rangers fan were more aware of Larsson than IKEA in 96 and everyone knows the ABBA drummer was Ola Brunkert, don’t they? 

Danilo may prove to be good for Rangers, none of us are sitting here with a crystal ball, but I only asked AJF what excites him about the player assuming he has watched some footage and researched the player a little, as his goal record on paper is pretty average. It was a fair question to which AJF provided a fair answer to and you somehow seem to have gotten your knickers in a twist about.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Jinky67

[bennett]

11 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Mate I’m starting to wonder if you watch football at all. USA 94 was huge on TV and there was a decent enough interest in Sweden over here especially after Euro 92 with them beating England and getting to the semis and Brolin becoming a big star. 

This was also still the age of Panini sticker books and if you asked anyone especially anyone of school age with their pockets laden with fitba stickers they could have told you exactly who Rene Higuita, Alexi Lalas, Henrik Larsson or a Yordan Letchkov was. 

And mate IKEA didn’t open in Scotland until 99 so I’d imagine your average Celtic or Rangers fan were more aware of Larsson than IKEA in 96 and everyone knows the ABBA drummer was Ola Brunkert, don’t they? 

Danilo may prove to be good for Rangers, none of us are sitting here with a crystal ball, but I only asked AJF what excites him about the player assuming he has watched some footage and researched the player a little, as his goal record on paper is pretty average. It was a fair question to which AJF provided a fair answer to and you somehow seem to have gotten your knickers in a twist about.

I definitely hadn't heard of Larsson until he signed for celtic though I had heard of IKEA. 

 

 

[stressball]

50 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

My favourite bit is C*ntwell holding his injured leg after the penalty challenge. And the commentary, obviously. 

Can’t wait for him to cheat a team out of a point in a close 1-1 at Ibrox next season, only to then get a retrospective ban.

 

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, bennett said:

I definitely hadn't heard of Larsson until he signed for celtic though I had heard of IKEA. 

 

 

What was his goal scoring record like?

[Derry Alli]

1 hour ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

He was very vocal about being more than good enough to do both.

I really can't see why he (or anyone) shouldn't. 

[Grangemouth Bairn]

12 minutes ago, Derry Alli said:

I really can't see why he (or anyone) shouldn't. 

Nothing wrong with confidence, I totally agree, delivery is the big thing though.

[AJF]

28 minutes ago, stressball said:

Can’t wait for him to cheat a team out of a point in a close 1-1 at Ibrox next season, only to then get a retrospective ban.

 

Overlooking the desire to see this, in practical terms, isn't retrospective action for diving now likely to be a thing of the past now that we have VAR?

Any retrospective action on diving would require the referee to admit after the match that they did not see the dive, however that now cannot be the case if every penalty incident is reviewed by a referee.