Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Swampy's gonna swamp. people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Then there are those so desperate for interaction that they will still engage with a troll. They are the saddest of the lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There are some folk who do not really understand what a troll is. There are others too thick to recognise a troll. Then there are those so desperate for interaction that they will still engage with a troll. They are the saddest of the lot. I find that showing the troll up for what they are is the best long term course of action. Ignoring them is easy but if even 1 person is taken in by the views espoused then ignorance is the wrong tactic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, the jambo-rocker said: We could just dismiss each other's opinion (and facts) and continue to live in self-implosive ignorance if you prefer? 2 minutes ago, the jambo-rocker said: We could just dismiss each other's opinion (and facts) and continue to live in self-implosive ignorance if you prefer? Have you read cover to cover the paper you've quoted or just the headline? The data they have used is flawed and based correlation as causation. Your point on informing kids about lgbt stuff at an early age could be made without implication of some homophobic dark ages views by me. Teach kids to be a good person and not to discriminate or treat people poorly because they are different. Isn't that enough? Must we eradicate every aspect of childhood innocence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Neil getting tore into Liam Fox at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ross. said: I had access to none of those things. Medical insurance, along with rent, transport and anything else I required had to be covered by me, or a sponsor. NHS being the only difference, what is to stop the UK from imposing a similar system on economic migrants? That's literally EU law. Countries have the power to force European migrants to prove they have a job, provide medical insurance contributions (which could still go to the NHS in theory - there's no reason why they couldn't create a market for this) and to recieve proof that they can generally support themselves financially. The Home Office have never exercised these powers, probably because it's such an insigificant loss that setting up the registration system (which would practically be much easier than other EU countries - we're not in Schengen) would cost more than it would have saved. The profile of people moving from nations which are also first world countries isn't really one of someone who is so desperate to go off grid and con the system as much as possible. In reality, the truth is Cameron procastinated over this. The strategy was to hit a few short term things that they could do very cheaply (i.e. ending stays for newly qualified students - throwing that intellectual capital, which you have just contributed towards, out of the country has a long-term impact but it got some numbers down quickly and they could easily implement it) and make a song and dance out of 'renegotiating' which didn't really mean anything. I suspect that if they understood the true UKIP threat much earlier, they would have made a move to properly implement a controls system well in advance of any referendum. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ross. said: I find that showing the troll up for what they are is the best long term course of action. Ignoring them is easy but if even 1 person is taken in by the views espoused then ignorance is the wrong tactic. Well you've certainly shown me. Like I said before.... echo chambers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 What's wrong with joining the Euro anyway ? Not that we would be forced to. It benefits high export economies such as Germany and Scotland if we chose to adopt it.Also loving the argument that to stop non EU migrants from coming here we need to leave ehm...the EU. Not the slightest hint of irony either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ross. said: I find that showing the troll up for what they are is the best long term course of action. Ignoring them is easy but if even 1 person is taken in by the views espoused then ignorance is the wrong tactic. Fair enough. Maybe you fall into the first category. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: What's wrong with joining the Euro anyway ? Not that we would be forced to. It benefits high export economies such as Germany and Scotland if we chose to adopt it. Also loving the argument that to stop non EU migrants from coming here we need to leave ehm...the EU. Not the slightest hint of irony either. Would the Euro accept three different banks printing three different versions of the notes that no other EU country would accept? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: What's wrong with joining the Euro anyway ? Not that we would be forced to. It benefits high export economies such as Germany and Scotland if we chose to adopt it. Also loving the argument that to stop non EU migrants from coming here we need to leave ehm...the EU. Not the slightest hint of irony either. Jesus. If you insist on not clicking links I provide. Google search EU reform of Dublin rule ffs. With the slightest hint of irony. You've made a c**t of yourself. The Euro has been a huge success story. It's fantastic being reliant on the Likes of Greece to run their economy properly so yours doesn't crash. Edited December 12, 2018 by weegienative 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) May at PMQs getting loud support from her "loyal backbenchers". Quite clearly Monday's cancellation was part of a strategy to force a party VoC followed by delaying the vote on her Brexit deal till Jan 21 (unless it can be further delayed) with the ultimate aim of bumping the deal through in a climate of fear of a "No Deal" exit. Edited December 12, 2018 by btb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Jesus. If you insist on not clicking links I provide. Google search EU reform of Dublin rule ffs. Within the slightest hint of irony. You've made a c**t of yourself. The Euro has been a huge success story. It's fantastic being reliant on the Likes of Greece to run their economy properly so yours doesn't crash." within the slightest hint of irony" nae bother [emoji23].Greece isnt a rich, high export, northern European ecomony like Germany or Scotland though. Maybe you should have a done an imaginary degree in English before polluting this forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: " within the slightest hint of irony" nae bother . Greece isnt a rich, high export, northern European ecomony like Germany or Scotland though. Maybe you should have a done an imaginary degree in English before polluting this forum. Neither is Scotland. The UK is though. You gloss over the fact that no matter how strong the economy is, it's reliant on these countries getting their act together. See the impact of Germany as a reference. I notice you also gloss over the non eu immigrant issue you so confidently raised previously.... telling. Please accept my "sit down, shut up" with all the arrogance it is intended. Kudos on picking up a predictive text error though. No seriously, well done. Edited December 12, 2018 by weegienative -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The shameless arsehole is ignoring questions and cracking shite jokes, and then accusing Corbyn of not being honest about his objectives. Just f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Neither is Scotland. The UK is though. You gloss over the fact that no matter how strong the economy is, it's reliant on these countries getting their act together. See the impact of Germany as a reference. I notice you also gloss over the non eu immigrant issue you so confidently raised previously.... telling. Please accept my "sit down, shut up" with all the arrogance it is intended. Kudos on picking up a predictive text error though. No seriously, well done.There's only one part of the UK with a trade surplus. 3 guesses which part that is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, weegienative said: Of course it does. Indyref 2, somehow the pro snp side won (less likely to happen now than 2014), Westminster f**k about and make it impossible for any kind of deal to take place, Indyref result cancelled, Scotland remains part of the UK. There is literally nothing to stop that scenario playing out if Brexit doesn't happen. oh ffs. You're comparing apples and oranges. Please stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The shameless arsehole is ignoring questions and cracking shite jokes, and then accusing Corbyn of not being honest about his objectives. Just f**k off.Utterly bizarre and all over the place. The stuff about McDonnell’s union amendments goes beyond whataboutery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: The shameless arsehole is ignoring questions and cracking shite jokes, and then accusing Corbyn of not being honest about his objectives. Just f**k off. PMQs has always been a matter of both sides talking at tangents, with the PM having an inbuilt advantage by finishing each exchange with an irrelevant answer. The exception to this is government backbenchers lobbing soft balls to the PM for s/he to smash. Quote Edit - Maggie Throup, a Conservative, says the real threat to the country is Labour. May agrees. In it's current format it's pretty much a waste of time - so why am I watching it? Edited December 12, 2018 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AsimButtHitsASix Posted December 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, weegienative said: Not all, but a portion, yes. And no, not foreigners, just unrestricted and unchecked large scale immigration of unskilled men from the third world who don't respect our values or traditions. What a crazy thing to be concerned about right? Getting bored of ye dodging this. Just gonna rip it apart. "Unrestricted immigration" Nonsense. We have complete control of our borders for both EU and non EU citizens entering the country. Just because someone is Slovenian and not, say, Venezuelan does not mean we have to let them enter the country. We are not part of Schengen. On top of that even if/once we've let EU nationals into the country the European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC gives us, as it gives all EU nations, the right to expel any EU citizen. To quote it this directive "allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves". Other EU nations do this. We choose not to. "Unchecked immigration" Every person who enters the UK has to go through border security unless they do so illegally but, as an island nation, this isn't much of an issue. There are some illegal entrants to the country but these are rare. What's far more common is people entering the country legally but staying beyond their accredited time through their visa. The majority of folk who do this are from the anglosphere (Aussies, Yanks, Kiwis, Saffas, Canucks) and aren't from "3rd world countries". So don't fall foul of your "respect our values or traditions" nonsense (although one could argue Yanks would fall under this with alarming regularlity) "large scale immigration" This is entirely subjective but, in any case, we can easily compare it to other nations. According to the World Bank net migration when taken as a ratio of the population shows that the UK has a net migration of 14 people per 1,000 citizens. This puts us about 40th in the world (of nations that monitor these statistics. Some of the countries ahead of us, such as Afghanistan (former refugees returning after the fall of the Taliban), Lebanon (huge refugee influx) and UAE (cheap foreign labour for building projects) are outliers, obviously, but if we narrow it down to other European and anglosphere nations we're still behind Luxembourg, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, Australia, Curacao, Canada, Cyprus, Sweden, Turkey, Bahamas, Belgium, Belize, New Caledonia, Hong Kong, Finland, Austria, Denmark, USA, Germany, Malaysia and Malta. Unless you can put a cap figure on how much migration is healthy and how much is too much, and, more importantly, give solid reasons for this rather than just subjective rhetoric all it becomes is a xenophobic dog whistle. "unskilled men" There is, as far as I know, no statistics available that sort immigration by gender. Why their genders matters is a mystery to me unless yer scared Julio from Guatemala's gonna shaft yer missus but, for all we know, she might run off with Sook-Wah from Cambodia instead. As for the unskilled part I've already pointed out we have complete control of our borders re: EU migrants so if unskilled migrants come for work, and fail to find any, we can boot them out. If you're coming from outwith the EU there is a five tiered point system in place that mean unskilled immigration is near impossible for many people so the migrants we receive from these nations have a higher proportion of skilled or trained professionals than the UK populace as it stands. "third world who don't respect our values or traditions. " The overwhelming majority of our immigrants come from ten nations: India, Poland, Pakistan, Ireland, Germany, Bangladesh, South Africa, Nigeria, United States, China. Most of these are historic with Asian and African immigration during the 50s-70s as well as a good century of so of Irish immigration. China is there due to the large number of Chinese students and historic migration. Yet, amazingly, despite coming from strictly Muslim Pakistan, patriarchal India, Apartheid South Africa, Communist China, deeply Catholic Ireland and post-communist Poland the vast majority have respected our values and traditions just fine. It's weird you claim "acceptance of LGBT" people as a value and tradition considering it was illegal to even mention the existence of homosexual relationships in school until the 90s or that homosexual sex between men was only legalised in Scotland in the 80s. We don't get to invade countries, demand they follow our ideas of civility, which, at the time, included the demonization of LGBT people, change our mind and expect them to suddenly be on the same footing as us. The thing is, however, for the most part they do learn to adapt and change upon migrating to the UK. Assuming, however, you're talking about more recent immigration from outwith the EU the top ten countries now are China, India, Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Nigeria, South Africa, Thailand. A very similar spread to the historic immigration of the last century. So not much is changing in that regard. In fact almost half of these migrants come from China and India and the majority of them are student visas. Although a few will be on scholarships the majority are paying a fair price to go to university in the UK and then buggering off home when they're done and the ones that remain are clearly helping the economy when they do remain. The Russian and Saudi immigrants are doing so for either study or business reasons so are, in theory, also contributing to the economy but, then again, people who worry about foreigners views on LGBT rights seem to go quite quiet when Russians and Saudis are involved due to something that rhymes with "oil noney". A breakdown of these visas shows (excluding short stay travel visas) that over half (225,000) are for study. Of the remaining over half of them (100,000) are for tier 1/2 skilled jobs (most of whom are sponsored to come here) and only 65,000 are for non-skilled and temporary workers (a large portion of temporary workers will be Aussies and Kiwis doing their year overseas wanting bar work). "What a crazy thing to be concerned about right? " Yes. Yes it is fucking crazy. It's crazy to concerned about unchecked immigration when we are entirely able to control it. It's crazy to be worried about large scale immigration when it's a bit of a push to call the immigration to our nation large scale. It's crazy to be worried about unskilled men when the majority of migrants are skilled or here to study and it's batshit mental to worry about them coming from the third world (they don't) or that they don't respect our values or traditions (they do) (I know, I know... tl;dr) 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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