Guest Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 19 minutes ago, Londonwell said: I thought there was an olive branch offered by the EU yesterday about an extension? The fact does remain however what does a short extension actually achieve, if no plan in place to resolve the situation? Answer: Appropriate time to plan a referendum. Ext to article, then referendum, then bin brexit. I've been consistent all along... Brexit will not be implemented. The establishment will piss over the initial referendum result, and the disenfranchised voters will be further disenfranchised. That's been the problem all along though, it isn't really "the establishment" as many of those who are the most staunch and vociferous brexiteers are also seen as part of "the establishment". It would have been far easier if it had been a case of the old "good guy", "wa*k" scenario, then at least we'd all have known where we stood............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 24 minutes ago, Londonwell said: I thought there was an olive branch offered by the EU yesterday about an extension? The fact does remain however what does a short extension actually achieve, if no plan in place to resolve the situation? Answer: Appropriate time to plan a referendum. Ext to article, then referendum, then bin brexit. I've been consistent all along... Brexit will not be implemented. The establishment will piss over the initial referendum result, and the disenfranchised voters will be further disenfranchised. “The establishment” all want different things. Your prediction may be correct but the suggestion that events have all been part of a long term plan to thwart Brexit is incorrect. There are no certainties in this, it has been and remains an utter omnishambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 “The establishment” all want different things. Your prediction may be correct but the suggestion that events have all been part of a long term plan to thwart Brexit is incorrect. There are no certainties in this, it has been and remains an utter omnishambles. I would also argue that my comment re disenfranchised voters being more disenfranchised is also correct. The EU is the establishment and they will get their own way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Answer: Appropriate time to plan a referendum. Ext to article, then referendum, then bin brexit. I've been consistent all along... Brexit will not be implemented. The establishment will piss over the initial referendum result, and the disenfranchised voters will be further disenfranchised. that’s a belter. You’ve predicted about 10 different outcomes in the last six months. The only consistent thing has been your inconsistency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 7 minutes ago, Londonwell said: “The establishment” all want different things. Your prediction may be correct but the suggestion that events have all been part of a long term plan to thwart Brexit is incorrect. There are no certainties in this, it has been and remains an utter omnishambles. I would also argue that my comment re disenfranchised voters being more disenfranchised is also correct. The EU is the establishment and they will get their own way. See you’re picking and choosing your “establishment” there then. The Tories have a hell of a lot to lose from Brexit being cancelled and that also must be taken into consideration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: We should wildly celebrate May's death when it happens, much like many did with Thatcher. I'll be more than happy just to celebrate the death of the Conservative Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: I'll be more than happy just to celebrate the death of the Conservative Party. That would be exceptional but doubt it will happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Londonwell said: See you’re picking and choosing your “establishment” there then. The Tories have a hell of a lot to lose from Brexit being cancelled and that also must be taken into consideration. This. This particular Tory party is controlled by the far-right, with a few centrists acting as a handbrake on their nutcase ambitions. The centrists will be able to slow things down, but they won't stop Brexit....it'll still happen in some shape or form. The previous poster is also surmising that the EU still want the UK to remain. I'm not sure that they do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: This. This particular Tory party is controlled by the far-right, with a few centrists acting as a handbrake on their nutcase ambitions. The centrists will be able to slow things down, but they won't stop Brexit....it'll still happen in some shape or form. The previous poster is also surmising that the EU still want the UK to remain. I'm not sure that they do. The EU would be delighted if the U.K. cancelled Brexit both for the immediate trade benefit and for its longer term resilience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Can only see an extension to Article 50 now. The Commons votes in mid-March should be fun. There is just so many different factions in the Commons that you just can't see where an agreement is coming from. And even if they do somehow agree, it still has to be agreed with the EU, and we know what that means in regards to the Irish backstop. The Westminster parliament right now is deadlocked. I can't see any scenario where that won't be the case. Can't see May agreeing to a Peoples vote either. A General Election may or may not solve the problem? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I wonder how long this will last for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Eddie Mair on LBC just now almost inviting people to phone in and say they'll be prepared to take to the streets in the event of No Brexit by the end of March. Gone off him a bit now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I wonder how long this will last for? FTFY bud. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Eddie Mair on LBC just now almost inviting people to phone in and say they'll be prepared to take to the streets in the event of No Brexit by the end of March. Gone off him a bit now. When you get those Tommeh! rallies or Brexit protests at Westminster you usually only get handful of fat elderly demented people turning up. I doubt most of them phoning up would be able to find their way from the sofa to their front door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Donathan said: If there is a second referendum then the Brexiteers campaign will be hilarious. Is there a single valid argument for Brexit now other than “we voted in favour last time so we need to respect the result”? I have no doubt leave would win a second referendum. Valid arguments hardly won them the vote first around anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, sparky88 said: I have no doubt leave would win a second referendum. Valid arguments hardly won them the vote first around anyway. You think Leave would win second time around? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, sparky88 said: I have no doubt leave would win a second referendum. About 99% of polls released since mid-2017 would suggest otherwise. Which is why the now minority are so hell bent on forcing a no-deal brexit through without returning the details back to the general public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 There is no majority at Westminster for a remain/leave 2nd referendum. People need to get rid of the idea that it's even a possibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 When you get those Tommeh! rallies or Brexit protests at Westminster you usually only get handful of fat elderly demented people turning up. I doubt most of them phoning up would be able to find their way from the sofa to their front door.They'll turn up if there's a packet of Olde English Spangles for every attendee [emoji39] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: There is no majority at Westminster for a remain/leave 2nd referendum. People need to get rid of the idea that it's even a possibility. What is there a majority for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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