Crossbill Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The ruling today that the Sewel convention is not worth the paper it is written on, along with leaving the EU, essentially means that the devolved parliaments of the UK are no more permanent than snow on a dike. They could be dissolved at the whim of Westminster and there is nothing we could legally do about it. It's hard to imagine a more powerful weapon for the Yes campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I guess the Government could always appeal to the European Court of Justice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 They took us in easy enough, don't remember anyone running to the courts then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I saw these on the net 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Corbyn has already stated labour wont vote against article 50 some opposition they are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis_Bickle Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Corbyn has already stated labour wont vote against article 50 some opposition they are If he did vote against it, it'd be political suicide. The country voted to leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: They took us in easy enough, don't remember anyone running to the courts then. I'm assuming that Britain joined off the back of an act of parliament? The same thing they are required to do to leave? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Travis_Bickle said: If he did vote against it, it'd be political suicide. The country voted to leave. Should be up to the MP's to vote with their constituency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Crossbill said: The ruling today that the Sewel convention is not worth the paper it is written on, along with leaving the EU, essentially means that the devolved parliaments of the UK are no more permanent than snow on a dike. They could be dissolved at the whim of Westminster and there is nothing we could legally do about it. It's hard to imagine a more powerful weapon for the Yes campaign. That's always been the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ross. said: I'm assuming that Britain joined off the back of an act of parliament? The same thing they are required to do to leave? Heath signed us up but it needed an act of parliament to take effect. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit/brexit-brief-1972-european-communities-act 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, Crossbill said: The ruling today that the Sewel convention is not worth the paper it is written on, along with leaving the EU, essentially means that the devolved parliaments of the UK are no more permanent than snow on a dike. They could be dissolved at the whim of Westminster and there is nothing we could legally do about it. Power devolved is power retained - Enoch Powell Stormont was prorogued in 1972, so a devolved parliament has already been dissolved on a whim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, Ross. said: Should be up to the MP's to vote with their constituency. They can vote whichever way they like, including ignoring their constituents. Wonder how many are prepared to pay the price for that? A couple of dozen perhaps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, sparky88 said: That's always been the case. To a degree, but the EU provides a considerable level of protection. Remember it was the threat of falling foul of the EU that forced devolution of power to Scotland in the first place, following the debacle of the 1979 referendum. Without the EU, I, and I suspect many other, have serious qualms about the dedication of Westminster to devolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Hey Jock! Get back to your parish council. How dare you pretend to have a real parliament? What Union of Equals? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38721681 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 the parliaments did not exist when we entered the EU? devolution has never had any power 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: the parliaments did not exist when we entered the EU? devolution has never had any real power Both facts are true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: Both facts are true The SNP can't win this one also true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 29 minutes ago, Crùbag said: Hey Jock! Get back to your parish council. How dare you pretend to have a real parliament? What Union of Equals? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38721681 I don't understand the reasoning that foreign affairs are solely Westminster's business. The reason for saying that Parliament has to vote on it is because it entails changing domestic law. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: The SNP can't win this one also true I agree 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 35 minutes ago, Crùbag said: Hey Jock! Get back to your parish council. How dare you pretend to have a real parliament? What Union of Equals? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38721681 Constitutionally and legally, Holyrood's powers are devolved from Westminster. The devolution legislation did not give Holyrood any powers over foreign policy. The Supreme Court has simply confirmed that. Under EU legislation, the British Government as a legal duty to ensure that Scotland's legislation complies with EU law. Under EU law, Scotland is a region of a Member State, the UK. The Scottish Parliament is not, and never has been, equal to the British Parliament at Westminster. Legally, Westminster could abolish the Scottish Parliament. Only an idiot could pretend otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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