welshbairn Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: Granny is right though. Johnson and his supporters use this to create a 'cuddly' image, and to subconsciously trick people into believing he's someone that they know and by default can like and trust. You'll notice that the right-wing newspapers always refer to him as 'Boris'....rarely 'Johnson' or even 'Boris Johnson'. It's all part of the same story, to make people believe in a concept, an image. It's very powerful. Corbyn didn't stand a chance. Edited February 28, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, coprolite said: I see your point, it's just a shite one. It's really not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Brexit: Thousands of UK lorry drivers face being barred from entering EU after missing out on permitshttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-british-lorry-drivers-hgv-eu-permits-barred-from-entry-imports-exports-a8772456.htmlAre sovereignty! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 17 hours ago, welshbairn said: WTO rules outlaw unfair competition with state subsidies anyway, similar to the EU conditions. Trump is doing his best to finish off the WTO though, so if he wins in November we could probably go back to Empire rules, Opium Wars 2.0 and impose whatever trading rules we want, unless it's with America.. That was a great wee game, good way to waste an hour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 up to 50,000 customs people’ are needed for a Canada-style trade deal with the EU.https://www.export.org.uk/news/491069/Institute-of-Export-calls-on-government-to-extend-customs-training-grant-.htmCutting red tape! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, coprolite said: But i just called him Boris and i know he is a c**t. I see your point, it's just a shite one. Pointing out what media manipulation is and how effective it can be as a propaganda tool isn’t really a shite point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: up to 50,000 customs people’ are needed for a Canada-style trade deal with the EU. https://www.export.org.uk/news/491069/Institute-of-Export-calls-on-government-to-extend-customs-training-grant-.htm Cutting red tape! 50,000 new publicly funded jobs with potential for good public sector pensions upon retirement is great news. Pity it’s not in health, or education, or the emergency services, or improving the infrastructure, or child care, or care for elderly people, or environmental protection or improvements to infrastructure. But still! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Pointing out what media manipulation is and how effective it can be as a propaganda tool isn’t really a shite point. 3 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: It's really not. Aye fair enough. But in the grand scheme of things it's not a very important detail. It's a contributory factor. The main issue is the ongoing framing of our relationship with Europe as an extension of agincourt. The next issue is propogating lies. Then there is thr bias and inaccuracy in presenting facts. Way down the list is being on first name terms with Terry But point taken and apologies for insulting your post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Brexit: Thousands of UK lorry drivers face being barred from entering EU after missing out on permits https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-british-lorry-drivers-hgv-eu-permits-barred-from-entry-imports-exports-a8772456.html Are sovereignty! Yet again Parpy doesn't read the links he posts. 11,000 hauliers actually applied for a European permit, but the European authority has rationed them to 1000. But this childish act makes you happy Parp? Weird. If they don't relent, then the only sensible response (to protect the UK haulage industry) is to to concoct a similarly stupid, protectionist permit rationing system for EU lorries. And just to anticipate your thought processes - no, this is not an inevitable consequence of Brexit. It's the consequence of Brussels taking the huff. Egged on by some very bitter people over here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Yet again Parpy doesn't read the links he posts. 11,000 hauliers actually applied for a European permit, but the European authority has rationed them to 1000. But this childish act makes you happy Parp? Weird. If they don't relent, then the only sensible response (to protect the UK haulage industry) is to to concoct a similarly stupid, protectionist permit rationing system for EU lorries. And just to anticipate your thought processes - no, this is not an inevitable consequence of Brexit. It's the consequence of Brussels taking the huff. Egged on by some very bitter people over here. That's just bollocks. Continuing to uphold the rules and regulations is not taking the huff. It's treating the UK as an outsider and not an insider. We voted to be an outsider and will continue to have to put up with these 'childish acts' for the forseeable on the back of it. Your position is the logical next step in cakeism. "They'll bend over and take the UK length so we should leave" being step 1, step 2 (when they don't get down on all fours) being "they're being utter c***s for not taking the UK length, why would you want to be a part of it". Obviously when you present the evidence that the EU are treating the UK differently from other non EU nations I'll retract my point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 How dare they take our Single Market privileges away after we said we want nothing to do with it!?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: That's just bollocks. Continuing to uphold the rules and regulations is not taking the huff. It's treating the UK as an outsider and not an insider. We voted to be an outsider and will continue to have to put up with these 'childish acts' for the forseeable on the back of it. Your position is the logical next step in cakeism. "They'll bend over and take the UK length so we should leave" being step 1, step 2 (when they don't get down on all fours) being "they're being utter c***s for not taking the UK length, why would you want to be a part of it". Obviously when you present the evidence that the EU are treating the UK differently from other non EU nations I'll retract my point. 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: How dare they take our Single Market privileges away after we said we want nothing to do with it!?! Two fair points and well made. Imagine the outrage if the same controls were placed on Scottish hauliers going through England to the EU post Independence. But still. The SNP has a government-supported ferry company gearing up to transit goods by sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Two fair points and well made. Imagine the outrage if the same controls were placed on Scottish hauliers going through England to the EU post Independence. But still. The SNP has a government-supported ferry company gearing up to transit goods by sea. Maybe build some infrastructure on the east coast? The lack of it currently is surely an argument that Scotland has been neglected in favour of the South East of Great Britain? Why do all our EU exports have to go through England? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utter Roaster Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 21 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: That's Boris's final solution. They'll be renationalising British Gas next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Maybe build some infrastructure on the east coast? The lack of it currently is surely an argument that Scotland has been neglected in favour of the South East of Great Britain? Why do all our EU exports have to go through England?It is probably cheaper transporting it down south by road or train then the short ferry crossing from a Kent port. (Remember you can see France from Dover on a good day.) than the long crossing from Scotland. There was probably a good reason the Rosyth ferry wasn’t successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Maybe build some infrastructure on the east coast? The lack of it currently is surely an argument that Scotland has been neglected in favour of the South East of Great Britain? Why do all our EU exports have to go through England? That's the issue for you Jocks after you place border guards at Gretna. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, Dunfermline Don said: It is probably cheaper transporting it down south by road or train then the short ferry crossing from a Kent port. (Remember you can see France from Dover on a good day.) than the long crossing from Scotland. There was probably a good reason the Rosyth ferry wasn’t successful. It won't be cheaper after they build a big fence and set up armed border controls at Gretna. We'll be able to utilise Boris Johnson's bridge from Eyemouth to Amsterdam by then, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pet Jeden Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: That's just bollocks. Continuing to uphold the rules and regulations is not taking the huff. It's treating the UK as an outsider and not an insider. We voted to be an outsider and will continue to have to put up with these 'childish acts' for the forseeable on the back of it. Your position is the logical next step in cakeism. "They'll bend over and take the UK length so we should leave" being step 1, step 2 (when they don't get down on all fours) being "they're being utter c***s for not taking the UK length, why would you want to be a part of it". Obviously when you present the evidence that the EU are treating the UK differently from other non EU nations I'll retract my point. Aye okay,then. To grant 1/11 applications is not petulant. Not at all. And if the UK responds by limiting the EU to the same 1000 licences for the even greater amount of goods that they send over here, then that too will not be petty. btw, pro-rata Ireland will be due a paltry 10 of these licenses, which is going to be a bit of a logistics nuisance for Ireland's exporters. And when Scotland gets independence and rUK limits Scottish hauliers to a handful of licenses to hammer down the M6, then that will be just fine too. None of this type of behaviour is at all childish.Nope. If the sovereign people of any nation decide they want to leave a union then it is only right and proper that somebody is made to feel some pain. Edited February 28, 2020 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said: Aye okay,then. To grant 1/11 applications is not petulant. Not at all. And if the UK responds by limiting the EU to the same 1000 licences for the even greater amount of goods that they send over here, then that too will not be petty. btw, pro-rata Ireland will be due a paltry 10 of these licenses, which is going to be a bit of a logistics nuisance for Ireland's exporters. And when Scotland gets independence and rUK limits Scottish hauliers to a handful of licenses to hammer down the M6, then that will be just fine too. None of this type of behaviour is at all childish.Nope. If the sovereign people of any nation decide they want to leave a union then it is only right and proper that somebody is made to fell some pain. What's 1/11 got to do with it? If 100,000 applications were made that would more petulant? If there were 5,000 they'd be less petulant? Have you got a % in mind of how many UK applications should be accepted as a ratio of the total submitted? Ireland? 10? Do you know basic arithmetic? I'm more interested in how many China get 'pro-rata' anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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