Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Bairnardo]

Yes, but people like you need to get it around your head, that Scotland would have the full power to make it better

I cant figure out the rough split in that camp. How many are stupid enough to actually think going independent = SNP run Scotland, and how many know better but say it anyway?

[Antlion]

4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

16 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Yes, but people like you need to get it around your head, that Scotland would have the full power to make it better

I cant figure out the rough split in that camp. How many are stupid enough to actually think going independent = SNP run Scotland, and how many know better but say it anyway?

If he truly hopes that the Tories are likely to be booted out of Downing Street any time soon (and I doubt he does hope for this), then he obviously knows that the SNP aren’t the future of an independent Scotland (unless Scotland’s people decide to make them). However, he has to pretend to believe the latter to excuse his support for the model of the hard-right Brexit Britain that he’s admitted he is “glad” is happening. 

[NotThePars]

If not the SNP vision of independence then what? They’re the overwhelming hegemonic force of Scottish politics and have almost completely dominated the Yes movement post-2014.

[Antlion]

2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

If not the SNP vision of independence then what? They’re the overwhelming hegemonic force of Scottish politics and have almost completely dominated the Yes movement post-2014.

I’d like a republican, more left-leaning independent Scotland with a very different view of landowners and distribution. Of course, I realise that I would have to actually argue for that and vote for it. At present, however, we’re not independent, so it’s a bit like arguing where the Scottish head of state’s official residence should be.

If one rejects independence because one doesn’t like the SNP’s plans for it, then embracing Brexit must mean welcoming the Tories’ plans for it. And yet Detournment wants to have it both ways: “I hate the Tories but like Brexit, and it’ll be possible for unnamed socialists (apparently no longer Labour) to change everything in the future; I hate the SNP, and therefore reject independence because it’ll be impossible to change it in the future”.

His “views” are a great big creaking bucket of strong-smelling faeces.

[John Lambies Doos]

If not the SNP vision of independence then what? They’re the overwhelming hegemonic force of Scottish politics and have almost completely dominated the Yes movement post-2014.

You're better than this

[Baxter Parp]

1 hour ago, NotThePars said:

If not the SNP vision of independence then what? They’re the overwhelming hegemonic force of Scottish politics and have almost completely dominated the Yes movement post-2014.

Once we're independent, we choose.

[NotThePars]

30 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

1 hour ago, NotThePars said:

If not the SNP vision of independence then what? They’re the overwhelming hegemonic force of Scottish politics and have almost completely dominated the Yes movement post-2014.

You're better than this

What have I said there that's controversial? 

10 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Once we're independent, we choose.

In a Rawlsian veil of ignorance?

[Baxter Parp]

Just now, NotThePars said:

In a Rawlsian veil of ignorance?

I'm not sure what Lou Rawls has to do with this.

[NotThePars]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

I’d like a republican, more left-leaning independent Scotland with a very different view of landowners and distribution. Of course, I realise that I would have to actually argue for that and vote for it. At present, however, we’re not independent, so it’s a bit like arguing where the Scottish head of state’s official residence should be.

If one rejects independence because one doesn’t like the SNP’s plans for it, then embracing Brexit must mean welcoming the Tories’ plans for it. And yet Detournment wants to have it both ways: “I hate the Tories but like Brexit, and it’ll be possible for unnamed socialists (apparently no longer Labour) to change everything in the future; I hate the SNP, and therefore reject independence because it’ll be impossible to change it in the future”.

His “views” are a great big creaking bucket of strong-smelling faeces.

I don't disagree with the majority of what you've written but would point out that you can and should argue from within the party if that's your politics. More and more groups that are opposed to what you or I believe are not waiting until independence to have their views taken on board and they'll have the head start when that day comes.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

I’d like a republican, more left-leaning independent Scotland with a very different view of landowners and distribution. Of course, I realise that I would have to actually argue for that and vote for it. At present, however, we’re not independent, so it’s a bit like arguing where the Scottish head of state’s official residence should be.

If one rejects independence because one doesn’t like the SNP’s plans for it, then embracing Brexit must mean welcoming the Tories’ plans for it. And yet Detournment wants to have it both ways: “I hate the Tories but like Brexit, and it’ll be possible for unnamed socialists (apparently no longer Labour) to change everything in the future; I hate the SNP, and therefore reject independence because it’ll be impossible to change it in the future”.

His “views” are a great big creaking bucket of strong-smelling faeces.

The Growth Commission plan for using Sterling is incredibly stupid. 

It's basically the political equivalent of deciding your job is shite then quitting to sell Avon. 

The UK is a disaster in many ways but deciding to become an independent country without it's own currency would be worse and that is the offer on the table. 

[welshbairn]

4 hours ago, NotThePars said:

Hahaha yeah. I guess renton means it makes it harder for states to go to war with each other but a f**k ton of people have had to die to get free trade into a lot of places

Do you honestly think the world will be a happier and more prosperous place if we dump the idea of comparative advantage? Would any of the third world countries we exploit for cheap clothes thank us for it if we rebuild the Lancashire cotton mills? 

[MONKMAN]

Ian Botham is to be given a peerage, in return for his “Brexit loyalty”

[doulikefish]

36 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Ian Botham is to be given a peerage, in return for his “Brexit loyalty”

Doesnt he live in Spain?

[hearthammer]

45 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Ian Botham is to be given a peerage, in return for his “Brexit loyalty”

David Mundell will be so disappointed if he doesn't get an ermine robe after all the sycophancy and brown nosing he's done over the years with and for his westminster overlords.  He sold his "Scottish" soul and the Scottish people for a shot at getting a gaudy saxe-coburg-gotha trinket.  

[SandyCromarty]

49 minutes ago, hearthammer said:

David Mundell will be so disappointed if he doesn't get an ermine robe after all the sycophancy and brown nosing he's done over the years with and for his westminster overlords.  He sold his "Scottish" soul and the Scottish people for a shot at getting a gaudy saxe-coburg-gotha trinket.  

Fluffy is the archetypal toe the line tory, a fawning, slithering, slimy and  lower than a snakes belly when it came to Scotland.

[Baxter Parp]

 

[John Lambies Doos]

Fluffy is the archetypal toe the line tory, a fawning, slithering, slimy and  lower than a snakes belly when it came to Scotland.

He wishes he had been born across the border

[Baxter Parp]

[Terry_Tibbs]

There are clear parallels between Brexiters and Yes supporters. Both support leaving a successful economic union without comprehending the consequences.

[DublinMagyar]

There are clear parallels between Brexiters and Yes supporters. Both support leaving a successful economic union without comprehending the consequences.

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