Baxter Parp Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Terry_Tibbs said: Joining the Eurozone is a prerequisite of joining the EU. No it's not, committing to join the Eurozone at your own pace is. Croatia still doesn't use the Euro yet, for instance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 39 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said: Joining the Eurozone is a prerequisite of joining the EU. Why haven’t Croatia had to join the Euro then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Terry_Tibbs said: Brexit has happened voting for Scottish independence cannot reverse that. Why would the EU want a nation with a deficit 7 times higher than the EU average? It would make a mockery of there 3% of GDP debt rule. In four years there will be a chance to vote for a different UK government. Voting for independence because you don't like this temporary government is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You say Boris is a racist but his two chancellors have been minorities, he supported an amnesty for illegal migrants when London mayor and recently offered passports to up to 3 million Hong Kong residents. I tend to judge people by their actions not their virtue signalling. Brexit isn’t a “temporary government”. It’s a devastating economic disaster that economists claim will bring about major uncertainty and worse. You appear to think that trashing Scotland-in-the-UK is somehow a reason to keep it in the UK and expose it to Brexit, which is at least a bit awkward for a little Briton desperately trying to claim that Brexit Britain is a good thing for the nation. I’m sorry, the “he can’t be a racist; he has black friends” thing stopped being anything other than toe-curling about forty years ago. By all means, defend the racist buffoon all you want (why wouldn’t you? He’s the glorious master of the Motherland! He must be worshipped!). It’s pretty evident that you don’t judge people by either their actions or what they say, but by the flag they allow you to salivate over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Terry_Tibbs said: Ad hominem attacks are the mark of a low iq. Croatia agreed to accept severe austerity in order to be allowed in. Croatia is also an emerging economy whereas Scotland is on the wain after 13 years of SNP rule. Is this a new variant on Muphry’s Law? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rodhull said: Why haven’t Croatia had to join the Euro then? Croatia was permitted to join on the basis that they agreed to adopt the Euro when they brought their deficit down to 3% of GDP by accepting austerity. 49 minutes ago, Antlion said: Brexit isn’t a “temporary government”. It’s a devastating economic disaster that economists claim will bring about major uncertainty and worse. You appear to think that trashing Scotland-in-the-UK is somehow a reason to keep it in the UK and expose it to Brexit, which is at least a bit awkward for a little Briton desperately trying to claim that Brexit Britain is a good thing for the nation. I’m sorry, the “he can’t be a racist; he has black friends” thing stopped being anything other than toe-curling about forty years ago. By all means, defend the racist buffoon all you want (why wouldn’t you? He’s the glorious master of the Motherland! He must be worshipped!). It’s pretty evident that you don’t judge people by either their actions or what they say, but by the flag they allow you to salivate over. The SNP, that you uncritically support based on your prejudice towards the English (and inferiority complex) helped to bring about Brexit by voting for an election with every indication that there would be the Brexit Tory Government it claimed to be against. This is the same SNP that voted down a Labour government and brought Thatcher to power. 49 minutes ago, Antlion said: I’m sorry, the “he can’t be a racist; he has black friends” thing stopped being anything other than toe-curling about forty years ago. By all means, defend the racist buffoon all you want (why wouldn’t you? He’s the glorious master of the Motherland! He must be worshipped!). It’s pretty evident that you don’t judge people by either their actions or what they say, but by the flag they allow you to salivate over. I'm waiting for a shred of evidence to back your assertions. All you've done is make straw man arguments. According to your warped logic people like Richard Dawkins and Helena Bonham Carter are racist British nationalists because they happen to disagree on Scottish independence. They have endorsed the current UK government as often as i have and yet you persist with the "you disagree therefore you must be evil" meme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Ah well, if Helena Bonham Carter is against independence then that's me convinced! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Terry_Tibbs said: Croatia was permitted to join on the basis that they agreed to adopt the Euro when they brought their deficit down to 3% of GDP by accepting austerity. So they didn’t need to have a 3% deficit or join the Euro to join the EU. Glad we agree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blootoon87 said: Ah well, if Helena Bonham Carter I'd against independence then that's me convinced! The point being she is hardly a fervent nationalist. I could have given you a list of a thousand lefty liberal types who oppose Scottish independence. Antlion makes out that anyone who opposes scottish independence must be the equivalent to Nick Griffin. Edited July 22, 2020 by Terry_Tibbs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rodhull said: So they didn’t need to have a 3% deficit or join the Euro to join the EU. Glad we agree. They had to come up with a plan on getting to 3% using austerity. Scotland won't be allowed in without a concrete plan on reducing it's deficit. This means austerity. How can you dispute this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said: They had to come up with a plan on getting to 3% using austerity. Scotland won't be allowed in without a concrete plan on reducing it's deficit. This means austerity. How can you dispute this? I don’t really need to dispute something that’s entirely your assumption. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rodhull said: I don’t really need to dispute something that’s entirely your assumption. No... “It will be essential for Croatia to take decisive action in order to achieve this in order to restore confidence in the economy…. This means that by April, Croatia is asked to undertake adequate and specifically specified [sic] measures to ensure progress towards the correction of its excessive deficit and debt.” - Olli Rehn, the EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs. (2014) You're presumably also ignorant over what happened to Greece? Edited July 22, 2020 by Terry_Tibbs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said: No... “It will be essential for Croatia to take decisive action in order to achieve this in order to restore confidence in the economy…. This means that by April, Croatia is asked to undertake adequate and specifically specified [sic] measures to ensure progress towards the correction of its excessive deficit and debt.” - Olli Rehn, the EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs. (2014) You're presumably also ignorant over what happened to Greece? No the assumption being what Scotland’s deficit would be upon joining the EU and whether it would have to be austerity to meet it. Given how disastrous Brexit is going to be chances are Scotland will have measures like austerity imposed on it anyway in years to come. Edited July 22, 2020 by Rodhull 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: I don’t have any right wing friends because right wing people, in my experience, are all absolute c***s. I don’t see how it’s fair to hold me responsible for that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 20/07/2020 at 17:59, Terry_Tibbs said: The union has almost certainly been successful from a Scottish perspective. Lets remind ourselves why we entered into the union in the first place. We were bankrupt after incurring a great debt after our failed attempt at colonising Panama. By entering into the union the UK crown paid off our debt. The Scots weren't above imperialism we were just completely incompetent at it. As well as that we've been subsided from the get go. One of the reasons we're led by Brexiteers is because Nicola Sturgeon did everything within her power to bring about a Tory government. She deliberately exaggerated the influence the SNP would have over a Corbyn led Government knowing it would scare a lot of English voters into voting Tory. This strategy previously worked in 2015. If you substitute No with Yes you'd be right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Terry_Tibbs said: The SNP, that you uncritically support based on your prejudice towards the English (and inferiority complex) helped to bring about Brexit by voting for an election with every indication that there would be the Brexit Tory Government it claimed to be against. This is the same SNP that voted down a Labour government and brought Thatcher to power. Wouldn’t that make you an SNP fan if it were true? I mean, you’ve outed yourself as an uncritical Tory fanatic who will even welcome and support racism. If the SNP were really prejudiced Tory enablers, you’d be all over them - because that’s exactly what you are. Perhaps they’re not hard enough against “pickaninnies” and Muslim women for you, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Terry_Tibbs said: They had to come up with a plan on getting to 3% using austerity. Scotland won't be allowed in without a concrete plan on reducing it's deficit. This means austerity. How can you dispute this? Scotland sure sounds terrible under the union. It’s a wonder you are such a fanatical UK nationalist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 No... “It will be essential for Croatia to take decisive action in order to achieve this in order to restore confidence in the economy…. This means that by April, Croatia is asked to undertake adequate and specifically specified [sic] measures to ensure progress towards the correction of its excessive deficit and debt.” - Olli Rehn, the EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs. (2014) You're presumably also ignorant over what happened to Greece?Croatia joined the EU 2013Quote from 2014Tibbs, won't last into 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Antlion said: Wouldn’t that make you an SNP fan if it were true? I mean, you’ve outed yourself as an uncritical Tory fanatic who will even welcome and support racism. If the SNP were really prejudiced Tory enablers, you’d be all over them - because that’s exactly what you are. Perhaps they’re not hard enough against “pickaninnies” and Muslim women for you, though. What a joke. You clearly struggle with reading comprehension. Where have i endorsed the Tory government? I have already disproved that opposing scottish independence (at the moment) does not make one a supporter of the current government. Oh and it's undeniably true that the SNP conspired with the Lib Dems to vote for the election the Tories wanted. Labour were prepared to vote it down. With SNP and Liberal support the Tories were going to get their damaging hard Brexit and SNP lapdogs like yourself nodded along approvingly. Edited July 22, 2020 by Terry_Tibbs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 No... “It will be essential for Croatia to take decisive action in order to achieve this in order to restore confidence in the economy…. This means that by April, Croatia is asked to undertake adequate and specifically specified [sic] measures to ensure progress towards the correction of its excessive deficit and debt.” - Olli Rehn, the EU commissioner for economic and monetary affairs. (2014) You're presumably also ignorant over what happened to Greece?Croatia GDP per capita $14,909Greece GDP per capita $20,324Scotland GDP per capita $38,603We'll be fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Croatia GDP per capita $14,909 Greece GDP per capita $20,324 Scotland GDP per capita $38,603 We'll be fine. If we leave the union we'll see that plummet. It's also the debt to GDP ratio which is most important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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