Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 19 minutes ago, btb said: Not just the DUP, the HoL amendments were voted down in the Commons by 357-268 last night, so with 10 DUP MPs I'm guessing 347 Tories voted in favour just to see them given away less than 24 hours later. The controversial sections of the Bill were essentially a bargaining ploy by the UK government, an obvious deal-breaker for the EU and BJ ditching them means we're going to sign something in the next few days (famous last words). Not that it bothers me much but the 357 who voted the amendments down last night must be feeling pretty foolish today! If they are going to sign a deal then these weren't going to ever be needed, so why alienate half the party? It was a negotiating tactic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Jacksgranda said: The RoI couldn't afford to keep the citizens of NI in the manner to which we are accustomed without bankrupting themselves, so would have to go with the begging bowl to Brussels. The EU central bank was happy to waive fiscal rules for Germany when it reunited (incidentally baking a German competitive advantage into the Euro) so I'm sure they'd happily do the same for our country cousins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, coprolite said: The EU central bank was happy to waive fiscal rules for Germany when it reunited (incidentally baking a German competitive advantage into the Euro) so I'm sure they'd happily do the same for our country cousins. That's what I said, only dressed up in Euro speak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 28 minutes ago, btb said: Not just the DUP, the HoL amendments were voted down in the Commons by 357-268 last night, so with 10 DUP MPs I'm guessing 347 Tories voted in favour just to see them given away less than 24 hours later. The controversial sections of the Bill were essentially a bargaining ploy by the UK government, an obvious deal-breaker for the EU and BJ ditching them means we're going to sign something in the next few days (famous last words). Not that it bothers me much but the 357 who voted the amendments down last night must be feeling pretty foolish today! If they are going to sign a deal then these weren't going to ever be needed, so why alienate half the party? I always saw the amendments as BJ doing a bit of sabre-rattling to please the EU purists within his party, like I said a bargaining ploy albeit a stupid one that could never really be used especially after the Don lost the US election last month. Spoiler Or did he? Dan-dan-dan! Why alienate half the party - who knows why the mofo does anything?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Whoodathunkit? Quote Billionaire Jim Ratcliffe's Ineos will manufacture its first car in France after a deal to take over a site run by Germany's Daimler, ditching plans to build a factory in Britain as COVID-19 disrupts the automotive industry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 It was a negotiating tactic.I know that but it must be petty obvious to Europe, so why alienate half the party. Just give a few fish away 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: It was a negotiating tactic. I know that but it must be petty obvious to Europe, so why alienate half the party. Just give a few fish away He'll come up with something we've "won" in return. And the EU couldn't be sure he was bluffing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 He'll come up with something we've "won" in return. And the EU couldn't be sure he was bluffing.Tbh, there will be back channels going on that we don't know about. Whole things probably scripted so both sides look good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 It'll be a Christmas fairy tale... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 It'll be a Christmas fairy tale...Remember, Thatcher never spoke to the IRA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Damn Stephen if only you and your publication could’ve done something to stop this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Just caught the tail end of some old tosser on Newsnight, with a pucker accent, informing Emily Maitlis that : "An Englishman's word is his bond" This is presumably a reference to BJ's trip to Brussels to sort everything out. The EU negotiators will be so pleased and relieved to hear that. Edited December 8, 2020 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: Damn Stephen if only you and your publication could’ve done something to stop this The best thing about this is, if we went back in time knowing what we know now, these people would just act exactly the same way again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: The best thing about this is, if we went back in time knowing what we know now, these people would just act exactly the same way again. Obviously they would. And if we went forward in time, factoring in the consequences of Jan 2021, they'd still act exactly the same way again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Presumably the rest of us get a worse deal because...just because. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Cringey and needy as f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 The more common expression is: "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it is written on". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Anybody got any confidence in Boris flying to the rescue today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 "Easiest trade deal in histiory" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Oven ready 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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