Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Democracy requires a citizenry that understands the issues.

Well if we start pulling at that thread...

[Fullerene]

8 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

That's a fair enough point.

Here's the problem with a politically integrated Europe. Democracy requires a citizenry that understands the issues. Based on this board I'm not sure that you guys possess much understand of German politics. Certainly not to the level of American politics. How are you supposed to be self governing in a political union with people you don't seem to understand or care about all that much? Again, whoever is in charge of Germany is the most important person politically for the EU.

By that logic, the United States should fall apart unless everyone has an understanding of what life is like in each of the other states.

Do you think people in California are overly concerned about New York State or Texas or Illinois?

I think if you asked somebody in California who is the governor of Texas or the Mayor or Chicago - they might not know and more importantly they might not care.
Similarly if you asked someone in Illinois what they knew about politics in California.

If Germany has a level-headed leader running a level-headed government - then that is all that matters for most people here IMO.

[Wee Bully]

17 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

Naw.

You are certainly picking up the lingo for an American!

Or, are you really Swampy?

[KarlMarx]

18 hours ago, beermonkey said:

The brexit vote was always going to be ignored from the moment the result was confirmed, 1st,  it was a year to trigger article 50,  then it's (at least) 2 years negotiations, now we're getting (at least) 2 years transition.

 

I guarantee they'll drag it out even further with some other bullshit excuse, then another, then another.......And don't be surprised if there's a second vote at some point, Then a third if the result goes against them again.

Welcome to EU style democracy,    In other words, there is no democracy in the EU.

Democracy is merely mob rule whereby 52% of the people can bully the other 48% into doing something they know is wrong for the country.

I will never listen to the knuckledraggers like Farage and Robinson telling me we're better being controlled by Trump than being part of a well run EU.

Edited September 26, 2017 by KarlMarx

[Antlion]

18 hours ago, beermonkey said:

The brexit vote was always going to be ignored from the moment the result was confirmed, 1st,  it was a year to trigger article 50,  then it's (at least) 2 years negotiations, now we're getting (at least) 2 years transition.

 

I guarantee they'll drag it out even further with some other bullshit excuse, then another, then another.......And don't be surprised if there's a second vote at some point, Then a third if the result goes against them again.

Welcome to EU style democracy,    In other words, there is no democracy in the EU.

So if the UK government continue to drag things out, and provide future referenda, that would be the EU's fault? I take it you also suspect the EU of being Jack the Ripper, and of peripheral involvement in the kidnapping of Patty Hearst?

[Highlandmagyar 2nd String]

So if the UK government continue to drag things out, and provide future referenda, that would be the EU's fault? I take it you also suspect the EU of being Jack the Ripper, and of peripheral involvement in the kidnapping of Patty Hearst?

I'm sure De Gaulle was on the grassy knoll in Dallas

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Sadiq Khan nailing his colours to the second referendum mast

[NotThePars]

He's the mayor of London of course he supports a second referendum.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

11 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

He's the mayor of London of course he supports a second referendum.

Well yes, but the story here is that he's not keeping quiet about it in response to  Corbyn's appeals for unity 

And unlike Corbyn he's actually won something

[NotThePars]

Corbyn's won two leadership contests. [emoji41]

[strichener]

51 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Well yes, but the story here is that he's not keeping quiet about it in response to  Corbyn's appeals for unity 

And unlike Corbyn he's actually won something

Looking at the previous incumbents, the word won should surely by in inverted commas.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

14 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Corbyn's won two leadership contests.

Looking at the previous incumbents, the word won should surely be in inverted commas.

[strichener]

6 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Looking at the challengers, the word won should surely be in inverted commas.

FTFY.

[dirty dingus]

I thought this guy won, it was on the side of a bus that he was Labours future and busses never lie.

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, NotThePars said:

He's the mayor of London of course he supports a second referendum.

Don't think you need to be the mayor of London to support a second referendum.

[NotThePars]

3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Don't think you need to be the mayor of London to support a second referendum.

 

I don't *think* that was the point I was trying to make there but carry on.

[Granny Danger]

4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

I don't *think* that was the point I was trying to make there but carry on.

My apologies.  What was the point you were trying to make?

[NotThePars]

Just now, Granny Danger said:

My apologies.  What was the point you were trying to make?

 

A huge part of the EU referendum was centred around what the EU did for London and what an exit would mean for the city. The Mayor of London, especially one who's touted himself as business friendly, was never going to become a Brexiteer lukewarm or otherwise. I take topcat's point about Corbyn calling for unity but I disagree with it and I don't think unity over Brexit is necessary or desirable. 

[Granny Danger]

17 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

A huge part of the EU referendum was centred around what the EU did for London and what an exit would mean for the city. The Mayor of London, especially one who's touted himself as business friendly, was never going to become a Brexiteer lukewarm or otherwise. I take topcat's point about Corbyn calling for unity but I disagree with it and I don't think unity over Brexit is necessary or desirable. 

I'd like to see Labour Party unity over support for a second referendum but that's just wishful thinking.

 

[Thistle_do_nicely]

London voted fairly heavily in favour of Remain almost across the board, didn't it? Perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me but I've got it in my head that it did. Being cynical it may well be that anyone in the post of mayor there, Khan or otherwise, would be very keen to portray themselves as being pro-EU whatever their private position may be...