Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Wee Bully]

9 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

We in different US states might be on average different, but we aren't foreigner level different.

Foreigner = bad?

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

Just now, Wee Bully said:

Foreigner = bad?

I generally think it's a bad idea if people who don't really understand each other and don't really give a f**k about each other are thrown together in one political unit. That seems to me what the EU is.  It's a recipe for the elites to take advantage of this situation to either gobble up wealth or engage in mass social engineering against the interests of the common people. 

[welshbairn]

35 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

I generally think it's a bad idea if people who don't really understand each other and don't really give a f**k about each other are thrown together in one political unit. That seems to me what the US is.  It's a recipe for the elites to take advantage of this situation to either gobble up wealth or engage in mass social engineering against the interests of the common people. 

FTFY

[doulikefish]

Oofft 220% tarriff by the Usa on bombadier in the failed statelet

 

[KarlMarx]

1 hour ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

I generally think it's a bad idea if people who don't really understand each other and don't really give a f**k about each other are thrown together in one political unit. That seems to me what the EU is.  It's a recipe for the elites to take advantage of this situation to either gobble up wealth or engage in mass social engineering against the interests of the common people. 

Sounds like every Republican President social policy to me.

Why does America poke its nose in where it's not wanted?

Stay out our fucking business.

[WILLIEA]

41 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Oofft 220% tarriff by the Usa on bombadier in the failed statelet

 

Surely some mistake.

US would be desperate to do deals with UK after brexit.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Oofft 220% tarriff by the Usa on bombadier in the failed statelet
 

Maybot will be shitting bricks. Expect the DUP to have the begging bowl fully deployed over the coming weeks.

[strichener]

1 hour ago, WILLIEA said:

Surely some mistake.

US would be desperate to do deals with UK after brexit.

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the US setting tariffs on Canadian companies.  

 

It remains to be seen if Boeing will be able to convince the US ITC that it has suffered as a result of these alleged subsidies given that the plane in question is smaller than anything manufactured by Boeing.

[welshbairn]

10 minutes ago, strichener said:

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the US setting tariffs on Canadian companies.  

 

It remains to be seen if Boeing will be able to convince the US ITC that it has suffered as a result of these alleged subsidies given that the plane in question is smaller than anything manufactured by Boeing.

Another complicating factor is that Canada are considering a $5 Billion order for Boeing fighter jets and American firms supply a lot of the parts to Bombardier for the jet in question, including the engines.

[WILLIEA]

33 minutes ago, strichener said:

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the US setting tariffs on Canadian companies.  

 

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You don't think the US thought about the effect on their best pals before going " F*ck it America first! "

 

 

[WILLIEA]

21 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Another complicating factor is that Canada are considering a $5 Billion order for Boeing fighter jets and American firms supply a lot of the parts to Bombardier for the jet in question, including the engines.

Just barely caught it but I think Canada have just cancelled contracts with Boeing

[Fullerene]

One of the reasons that Jeremy Corbyn thinks we might benefit from Brexit is that the EU prevents us from offering state aid to our own companies.
Not sure if that is true but suppose it was.

The USA is penalising Bombardier because it is complaining about unfair state aid to Bombardier.

Wouldn't we encounter similar problems if we offered state aid to any company as Jeremy Corbyn says - assuming that company is looking to export to other countries?

[Fullerene]

4 hours ago, doulikefish said:

Oofft 220% tarriff by the Usa on bombadier in the failed statelet

 

After Brexit, we could probably get that down to 215%, I'm sure.

[Cerberus]

The UK government, called the decision “absurd and divorced from the reality about the financing of multibillion-dollar aircraft programmes”.

I suppose the UK government would know. They set the bar for being “absurd and divorced from the reality".

[Granny Danger]

So.  Both sides had been unhappy with the progress of talks.  

The U.K. want to discuss new trading arrangements and the EU have said this cannot happen until there is sufficient progress on discussions about the divorce bill, the Irish border and EU citizens' rights.

There's an extended break and Theresa May gives her big speech.  David Davis now claims that there's "decisive steps forward" following latest talks.  The EU have said that talks about new trading relations post Brexit cannot happen until there is sufficient progress on discussions about the divorce bill, the Irish border and EU citizens' rights.

Is there an interpretation of 'decisive steps forward' that I'm not getting?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41426620

 

[mjw]

Angry old white man is still angry.

[Granny Danger]

Just had the chance to read Corbyn's speech in a bit more detail; he's as big a w****r on Europe as May.

Because she's in government her policies are, rightly, being scrutinised in detail.  Her promises regards to a trading relationship with the EU post Brexit are fanciful and nonsensical and this will be rightly exposed over the coming months.

However Corbyn's claims about post Brexit trade arrangements under a Labour government are just as unrealistic.  I trust the pish that he's spouting about a tariff free trade agreement will be exposed as totally bogus.

 

[Crossbill]

Government response to a petition to hold a 2nd Brexit referendum once the terms of leaving have become clear:

Quote

On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The UK Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the people and so there will be no second referendum.

The decision to hold the referendum was supported by a clear majority in both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The referendum was the largest democratic mandate in UK political history. In the 2017 General Election more than 85% of people voted for parties committed to respecting that result.

There must be no attempts to remain inside the European Union, no attempts to rejoin it through the back door, and no second referendum. The country voted to leave the European Union, and it is the duty of the Government to make sure we do just that. Rather than second guess the British people’s decision to leave the European Union, the challenge now is to make a success of it - not just for those who voted leave but for every citizen of the United Kingdom, bringing together everyone in a balanced approach which respects the decision to leave the political structure of the EU but builds a strong relationship between Britain and the EU as neighbours, allies and partners.

Parliament passed an Act of Parliament with a clear majority giving the Prime Minister the power to trigger Article 50, which she did on 29 March in a letter to the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk. As a matter of firm policy, our notification will not be withdrawn - for the simple reason that people voted to leave, and the Government is determined to see through that instruction.

Both Houses of Parliament will have the opportunity to vote on the final agreement reached with the EU before it is concluded. This will be a meaningful vote which will give MPs the choice to either accept the final agreement or leave the EU with no agreement.

The people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union, but we are not leaving Europe. We want a deep and special partnership with the EU. We aim to get the right deal abroad and the right deal for people here at home. We will deliver a country that is stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking than ever before.

Department for Exiting the European Union

 

Edited September 29, 2017 by Crossbill

[Cerberus]

^^^
Brought to you by the people that thought a post-Brexit UK could make a direct trade deal with Germany.

[John Lambies Doos]

Government response to a petition to hold a 2nd Brexit referendum once the terms of leaving have become clear:

On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The UK Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the people and so there will be no second referendum.

The decision to hold the referendum was supported by a clear majority in both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The referendum was the largest democratic mandate in UK political history. In the 2017 General Election more than 85% of people voted for parties committed to respecting that result.

There must be no attempts to remain inside the European Union, no attempts to rejoin it through the back door, and no second referendum. The country voted to leave the European Union, and it is the duty of the Government to make sure we do just that. Rather than second guess the British people’s decision to leave the European Union, the challenge now is to make a success of it - not just for those who voted leave but for every citizen of the United Kingdom, bringing together everyone in a balanced approach which respects the decision to leave the political structure of the EU but builds a strong relationship between Britain and the EU as neighbours, allies and partners.

Parliament passed an Act of Parliament with a clear majority giving the Prime Minister the power to trigger Article 50, which she did on 29 March in a letter to the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk. As a matter of firm policy, our notification will not be withdrawn - for the simple reason that people voted to leave, and the Government is determined to see through that instruction.

Both Houses of Parliament will have the opportunity to vote on the final agreement reached with the EU before it is concluded. This will be a meaningful vote which will give MPs the choice to either accept the final agreement or leave the EU with no agreement.

The people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union, but we are not leaving Europe. We want a deep and special partnership with the EU. We aim to get the right deal abroad and the right deal for people here at home. We will deliver a country that is stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking than ever before.

Department for Exiting the European Union

 


I guess brexit means brexit. Gov were right all along