Granny Danger Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, Colkitto said: Most likely outcome now is a hard Brexit going by rumours on social media. The UK government are supposedly going to propose that the UK wants to keep EU standards and rules but on their terms as agreed by the Cabinet Committee. That means out of the customs Union and Single Market. They are also proposing to guarantee the rights of EU Citizens in the UK. But don't see anything regards free movement of people. The EU have been consistent from the very start and insist on free movement and membership of the Customs Union and Single Market to keep the same arrangements. No idea how that effects the Irish border and to me it looks like they have sacrificed the GFA. If the rumours are true and this is the outcome, then we are all in for a very hard time and will force Nicola Sturgeons hand in call indyref2 There is some movement in the Labour ranks in the other direction. I can see enough pro-EU Tories opposing May to defeat a hard Brexit which should force a General Election. Some Tories may balk at this but I can still see it happening. What is bizarre and infuriating is that the hard liners amongst the Tories are a minority. A sizeable minority maybe but it’s still the tail wagging the dog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 14:14, Blootoon87 said: Why did the majority of farmers vote for Brexit anyway? They need the labour and don't they get massive subsidies from the EU? I can kind of understand the fishermen up here voting to leave, they naively think they'll be able to fish the seas dry after we leave. Never understood the farmers though. Something like 55% of farmers voted for Brexit so it wasn't the overwhelming majority but I guess those that voted leave probably did so because they were pissed at the admittedly not perfect CAP along with other EU regulations on things like pesticides and use of chemicals. I guess, like the fisherman looking forward to fishing the f**k out of the sea then having nothing left to catch, the farmers probably hoped that they would have more free reign and do whatever they like such as spraying neonicotinoids all over the place before killing all the bees that pollinate their crops. Must be galling for these subsidy junkies to see the likes of BoJo and Gove trying to get dirt cheap meat and other produce deals with the likes of Argentina and the US to import a load of their cheap as chips meat. f**k them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: There is some movement in the Labour ranks in the other direction. I can see enough pro-EU Tories opposing May to defeat a hard Brexit which should force a General Election. Some Tories may balk at this but I can still see it happening. What is bizarre and infuriating is that the hard liners amongst the Tories are a minority. A sizeable minority maybe but it’s still the tail wagging the dog. Not sure Tories would force an election that could possibly put a Labour government in power. Never know right enough when they are faced with hard Brexit Armageddon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Colkitto said: Not sure Tories would force an election that could possibly put a Labour government in power. Never know right enough when they are faced with hard Brexit Armageddon They wouldn't be keen on letting a soft to medium left Labour party have a shot at power anyway but given the nature of the folk running the Labour party at the moment it may seem like a choice of different Armageddons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 "Indyref promises? Ha! We lied." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Crùbag said: "Indyref promises? Ha! We lied." Craven Rob is 'happy with our role within the UK'. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 In the last half hour Jeremy Hunt has said the U.K. will not stay in the customs union. Which is the most bizarre. A) The health secretary making an announcement of this magnitude following an extensive ‘Brexit cabinet’ meeting before the PM has made a statement; or B) The fact that Jeremy Hunt is a cabinet secretary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Donald Tusk - UK brexit plans pure illusion. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201 Translation - Theresa stop talking pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, pawpar said: Donald Tusk - UK brexit plans pure illusion. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201 Translation - Theresa stop talking pish. Blue passport - £130 and 3 months picking fruit n veg levy. It's a bargain innit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Calling it. Feb 23 2018. No matter how completely and utterly shite Brexit is, Indyref2 won't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, pawpar said: Donald Tusk - UK brexit plans pure illusion. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201 Translation - Theresa stop talking pish. The thing is Tusk has been utterly consistent. He is saying “the U.K. cannot cherry pick it’s future relationship with the EU.” He has said this from Day 1, so have all the other EU negotiators and spokespersons. The problem is that’s there’s some influential people within the U.K. government and the wider Tory Party who seem to think he’s kidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Calling it. Feb 23 2018. No matter how completely and utterly shite Brexit is, Indyref2 won't happen. Agreed. Scotland, as in virtually every other walk of life when there's some form of hope, will utterly shite the bed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The thing is Tusk has been utterly consistent. He is saying “the U.K. cannot cherry pick it’s future relationship with the EU.” He has said this from Day 1, so have all the other EU negotiators and spokespersons. The problem is that’s there’s some influential people within the U.K. government and the wider Tory Party who seem to think he’s kidding. Yep. The reason we , after all this time, still as a nation don't have a clue what we are doing, is that the entire premise is that we have the strong negotiating hand and they will bend over and take the Empire length anytime soon. That's why we don't need a plan. We're waiting for them to crack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Craven Rob is 'happy with our role within the UK'. "Craven" Bingo !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Agreed. Scotland, as in virtually every other walk of life when there's some form of hope, will utterly shite the bed. Even if i was pro Indy i would have to agree with that summing up. Argentina 78 all over again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Loondave1 said: Even if i was pro Indy i would have to agree with that summing up. Argentina 78 all over again. Andy Murray is the only exception I can think of tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-brexit-at-all-costs-really-is-dispiriting-5rnfd6rff A fairly big percentage of people think Brexit more important than keeping the UK together. They ready to bin the GFA, nothing else matters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Andy Murray is the only exception I can think of tbh [emoji38] Jocky Wilson ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tongue_tied_danny Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 12 hours ago, jupe1407 said: Andy Murray is the only exception I can think of tbh Dennis Nilson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 13 hours ago, jupe1407 said: Andy Murray is the only exception I can think of tbh Stephen Hendry (pre-2000s) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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