Alert Mongoose Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 46 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: I ended up watching some of the Stormy Daniels documentary on channel 5 last night. One thing about the current case I've never been clear about is what the actual crime is Trump has allegedly committed? Without paying too much attention, I thought/assumed it was something to do with campaign finance laws, but it seems Michael Cohen payed the hush money from his own funds. Did Trump repay him from campaign funds? I also thought I'd read he was never repaid at all, which adds to the confusion. I thought it was because he had categorised the payment as a legitimate business expense and hence tax deductable but could be completely wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I see his latest post-court rant has E Jean Carroll’s lawyers looking at yet another lawsuit. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-e-jean-carroll-attack-b2552494.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=embed1 Even if he wins the Presidency he won’t be immune from civil cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 5 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said: I thought it was because he had categorised the payment as a legitimate business expense and hence tax deductable but could be completely wrong. This was my understanding too, at first. But...additionally because this was in fact a cost associated with the campaign and not declared as such, it also broke campaign finance laws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I still can't see Trump being found guilty. The idea that there isn't even one faithful Republican on a jury doesn't seem plausible. In any trial like this one, where politics is everywhere, whether it's in the US, UK or anywhere else, it is impossible for jurors to completely put politics to the back of the mind. I reckon "not guilty" is inevitable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 22 minutes ago, scottsdad said: This was my understanding too, at first. But...additionally because this was in fact a cost associated with the campaign and not declared as such, it also broke campaign finance laws. So was Cohen actually refunded from campaign funds? Presumably this is the 'crime', as if he had paid out of his own pocket he could easily argue he would've paid Daniels off regardless of whether or not he was running for president. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 The jury is out - here's a profile of them on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68848665 My favourite is Juror 11 Quote Born in California, juror number 11 is a product development manager, and her hobbies include exploring the city and eating. She told the court she did not like Mr Trump's "persona". "I don't really agree with some of his politics, but that does not mean I can't be impartial," she said. "I don't like some of my co-workers, but I don't try to sabotage their work," she added, prompting laughter from the court. Is eating really a hobby? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 minutes ago, ICTChris said: The jury is out - here's a profile of them on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68848665 My favourite is Juror 11 Is eating really a hobby? Have you seen the average American? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 hours ago, Zetterlund said: So was Cohen actually refunded from campaign funds? Presumably this is the 'crime', as if he had paid out of his own pocket he could easily argue he would've paid Daniels off regardless of whether or not he was running for president. The brief that could convince a jury Trump paid something out of his own pocket could get Rose West off with 240 hours community service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 The death penalty has been banned in NY state since 2004. Pity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) Just popped in to have a look at this, some amount of irrational hatred and bile against the guy, do people on here believe that Biden and his cronies are doing a great job and everything is wonderful? Genuine question. Thank you. Edited May 29 by Bigmouth Strikes Again -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Just popped in to have a look at this, some amount of irrational hatred and bile against the guy, do people on here believe that Biden and his cronies are doing a great job and everything is wonderful? Genuine question. Thank you. Biden is a doddery old fud for the most part however the prospect of Project 2025 means that if it’s a choice between the GOP or an incontinent Labrador then Denzil the Dug gets the X in his box. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Biden is a doddery old fud for the most part however the prospect of Project 2025 means that if it’s a choice between the GOP or an incontinent Labrador then Denzil the Dug gets the X in his box. Cheers, never heard of that, the whole country looks like it's just totally fucked now. IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Just now, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Cheers, never heard of that, the whole country looks like it's just totally fucked now. IMO. It's pretty scary stuff - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: It's pretty scary stuff - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Scary stuff going on all the time, don't think Trump can be worse than the psycopaths running the show just now, but that's just my opinion. Thank you. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Just now, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Scary stuff going on all the time, don't think Trump can be worse than the psycopaths running the show just now, but that's just my opinion. Thank you. Trump will be quite happy to cheat at golf and be given Fox News printouts of how much everyone likes him, it's the lunatics at the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society that'll be running the place. See also the appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Island. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Trump will be quite happy to cheat at golf and be given Fox News printouts of how much everyone likes him, it's the lunatics at the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society that'll be running the place. See also the appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Island. Same with Biden, who's pulling the strings with that puppet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Just now, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Same with Biden, who's pulling the strings with that puppet? Not anyone who wants to abolish the Department of Education, make contraception and abortion illegal and shit on immigrant rights from an enormous height. As an immigrant, with school age children, one of whom's a girl, and an adoptee whose mother was barely 15 when she had him, these types of things kinda chime with me. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Jesus, so that's Trump added to the list of dodgy far-right grifters that Biggie's stood up for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Same with Biden, who's pulling the strings with that puppet? Just for the avoidance of doubt, it's not about what Biden is - it's about what he isn't. He isn't a narcissistic fucking lunatic who's a threat to what remains of the remnants of democracy. Trump is. That's it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairn Terrier Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Scary stuff going on all the time, don't think Trump can be worse than the psycopaths running the show just now, but that's just my opinion. Thank you. Opinions are like arseholes….everyone’s got one, but we don’t really need to see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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