Juniors in the big Scottish do we deserve to be there?

[cpal]

6 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

The time has passed for this. The only one who have designs on it, should a vacancy arise is Linlithgow. No-one else has the foresight unfortunately. 

It seems moaning about no fixture list and a pile up of games at the end of each season is too much to give up.

I think you must be ill informed Sir. Linlithgow will never join the LL, a few possibly wld like to, the members wld never sanction it. Wld be financial ruin, paying inflated admission prices, inferior opposition, midweek matches with long journeys. Without SFA & pools contributions, most 2nd & 1st division teams wld fold. At least a number of the top junior teams are well organised & financially astute  due to hard work knowledgable people running these clubs. Can't imagine any of the top junior clubs in the East or West ever contemplating joining the LL where most games are watched by sparsely attended matches at moment. It is fact in the East Region for a number of yrs that Bo'ness & Linlithgow fund alot of the sister clubs with large travelling numbers. 

 

[Squirrelhumper]

Junior teams should only be allowed in the senior Scottish Cup if they are willing to join the pyramid system. 

 

[Squirrelhumper]

23 hours ago, BS7 said:

Bonnyrigg very nearly emptied Brechin before Losing 6-0 at home. The best junior sides are easily on a level with the best part time senior clubs .

Easily? Since junior sides were allowed entry how many have actually won games? 

[JakeSAFC]

Quite a lot of junior teams have bigger attendances than a lot of senior teams. Just need to look at the likes of Talbot, Pollok, Linlithgow to name a few

Bigger attendances than who exactly? The lowland league clubs probably but certainly do not have bigger averages than SPFL 2 and upwards.

Also, if they are so well supported why dont they show some ambition and join the pyramid instead of playing in their pishy level?

[wintonfan]

saying junior clubs shouldn't play in the big Scottish cup because there might be a difference in class or the junior team might get gubbed is like saying Scottish teams shouldn't be playing in the champions or Europa league for exactly the same reason

[Jack Burton]

Easily? Since junior sides were allowed entry how many have actually won games? 

The junior sides have won 4 games in 25 meetings with league one or two sides. If you include premiership and championship then its 4 out of 40.

[archieb]

18 minutes ago, JakeSAFC said:

Bigger attendances than who exactly? The lowland league clubs probably but certainly do not have bigger averages than SPFL 2 and upwards.

Well Pollok for one attract bigger crowds than the majority of SPL1 & SPL2 games  (& even some in the Championship) almost every Saturday home game.

[LeeKRR1878]

Bigger attendances than who exactly? The lowland league clubs probably but certainly do not have bigger averages than SPFL 2 and upwards.

Also, if they are so well supported why dont they show some ambition and join the pyramid instead of playing in their pishy level?

Cowdenbeath, Albion Rovers, Stranraer, Annan, Berwick Rangers.

I don't know you'd have to ask some of the clubs committee men/women.

There needs an overhaul on a full pyramid system. The clubs in the LL have no support. Cumbernauld Colts play at an 8,000 all seater stadium and can't even fill 1/4 of 1 stand.

[southerner]

Junior teams should only be allowed in the senior Scottish Cup if they are willing to join the pyramid system. 

 

Talbot for years gave Killie one of their biggest gates of the season when we got to the cup final at rugby park

[Talbot Bing]

Cowdenbeath, Albion Rovers, Stranraer, Annan, Berwick Rangers.

I don't know you'd have to ask some of the clubs committee men/women.

There needs an overhaul on a full pyramid system. The clubs in the LL have no support. Cumbernauld Colts play at an 8,000 all seater stadium and can't even fill 1/4 of 1 stand.

Couldn't have put it better myself Lee. [emoji4][emoji106]

[HibeeJibee]

If we're looking at last season it was accepted in another thread that Pollok averaged more than 2-3 of SPFL clubs, and Clydebank possibly averaged more than 1.

Only 3 clubs - all in SPFL2 - averaged under 500, and only 1 averaged under 450 (relegated East Stirlingshire).

No current Championship club averages sub-1,000.

[LeeKRR1878]

Cowdenbeath get on average 300-400 with customers paying £10 + per game. How many junior clubs would get that if they were charging the same ? This claim about all the junior clubs getting great attendances compared to senior clubs is a load of nonsense.

Probably the same amount as its only an extra £4.

I never once said all junior clubs. Some get extremely poor. Royal Albert got a whopping 4 paying fans in Saturday

[JakeSAFC]

Cowdenbeath, Albion Rovers, Stranraer, Annan, Berwick Rangers.

I don't know you'd have to ask some of the clubs committee men/women.

There needs an overhaul on a full pyramid system. The clubs in the LL have no support. Cumbernauld Colts play at an 8,000 all seater stadium and can't even fill 1/4 of 1 stand.

Think youll find all those clubs will probably average more than all junior clubs.

Some of them may not have a support but they're at better level than the backwards juniors.

[Talbot Bing]

Think youll find all those clubs will probably average more than all junior clubs.

Some of them may not have a support but their at better level than the backwards juniors.

Stirling Albion have averaged approx 500 fans. Hardly a bigger set up than most to juniors clubs ya daftie.

[JakeSAFC]

Stirling Albion have averaged approx 500 fans. Hardly a bigger set up than most to juniors clubs ya daftie.

We average 500 and it shites all over every junior teams average. Unlucky thicko, try again.

[Talbot Bing]

We average 500 and it shites all over every junior teams average. Unlucky thicko, try again.

Hmmm???????????? think I smell [emoji90]

Using one Juniors team at hand (Pollok) who are averaging 600 a game this season.

BOOM!! [emoji110][emoji97]

[itzdrk]

4 hours ago, LeeKRR1878 said:

Quite a lot of junior teams have bigger attendances than a lot of senior teams. Just need to look at the likes of Talbot, Pollok, Linlithgow to name a few

[HTG]

This is a never ending cycle where people argue over who is the least shite. It carries on up the chain until you reach Barcelona. 

There should only be one "grade" of football. It should be regional at the correct level and become more regional as it descends. If clubs don't like playing at a national level or an extended regional level then they should drop down. 

Entry to the Scottish Cup should be open to all who conform to the minimum standards.  Entry point should be dictated by where you fit in that structure.  Essentially we are part way there. Auchinleck come in before Linlithgow because they are unlicenced. Linlithgow come in before Fort William because they Fort William) are licenced and playing at a higher level.  Then Stirling Albion appear.

Obviously there are problems because it doesn't take a genius to work out that Talbot are currently a better side than Linlithgow and Fort William are probably poorer than both. But in the absence of a decent structure the sfa has pinned its colours to the current approach and without the will of the clubs to be part of something better it is as sensible as they can achieve without forcing clubs to make choices they might not fancy. 

[Talbot Bing]

This is a never ending cycle where people argue over who is the least shite. It carries on up the chain until you reach Barcelona. 

There should only be one "grade" of football. It should be regional at the correct level and become more regional as it descends. If clubs don't like playing at a national level or an extended regional level then they should drop down. 

Entry to the Scottish Cup should be open to all who conform to the minimum standards.  Entry point should be dictated by where you fit in that structure.  Essentially we are part way there. Auchinleck come in before Linlithgow because they are unlicenced. Linlithgow come in before Fort William because they Fort William) are licenced and playing at a higher level.  Then Stirling Albion appear.

Obviously there are problems because it doesn't take a genius to work out that Talbot are currently a better side than Linlithgow and Fort William are probably poorer than both. But in the absence of a decent structure the sfa has pinned its colours to the current approach and without the will of the clubs to be part of something better it is as sensible as they can achieve without forcing clubs to make choices they might not fancy. 

Your last paragraph sums it up my friend. "SFA" ?

[Krfc 10]

1 hour ago, JakeSAFC said:

 

Bigger attendances than who exactly? The lowland league clubs probably but certainly do not have bigger averages than SPFL 2 and upwards.

Also, if they are so well supported why dont they show some ambition and join the pyramid instead of playing in their pishy level?

 

Imagine calling the juniors a pishy level coming from a Stirling Albion fan, fucking brilliant!!!