Blue Brazil Forever Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 7 hours ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: It is interesting that the only club's fans who seem to be leaning in favour of this are Cowdenbeath, from the small P&B sample. You'd have thought they might expect to get promoted back in again at some point. 56 minutes ago, JakeSAFC said: Tbf it only seems to be Cowden Cowboy who's in favour of it. Although wouldn't be shocked if a couple more were in favour. This is a proposal only at the moment, as the Annan statement makes clear, albeit a serious one which requires full consideration. It has not reached the status of a formal SPFL submission which would necessitate a club vote. I am not aware of any positive responses from any of the Blue Brazil Directors and/ or club officeholders ( including CC ). It is right and proper that all pros and cons should be examined. In my capacity as Club President, I do not favour the proposal. My principal objection is to any club buying a place in any of the SPFL Leagues, creating an awkward and totally unwelcome precedent for football in Scotland. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 If any one knows better - update the hit list---------- League 1 & League 2 - and declared Championship clubs Confirmed good guys Stirling Albion Airdrieonians Albion Rovers Annan Very likely good guys Dunfermline Athletic Clyde Arbroath Most likely bad guys Berwick On the fence/not declared Peterhead Stenhousemuir Morton Elgin Edinburgh Cowdenbeath Raith Ayr Stranraer Alloa E Fife Queens Park Forfar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I’ve always liked Annan. In fact I don’t think I know anyone who doesn’t? Great stuff guys, the Galabankies on here can be proud of their club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 First time i've picked up on the fact that League Two is officially the Scottish Professional Football League League Two. I fully endorse Annan's statement and the use of SPFL Division Two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: And you just stick to making up pish One of the few posters on here who has 'inside' information and you discredit what he says because he won't list clubs that he's spoken to? Other clubs probably don't want a Cowdenbeath director discussing their opinion on matters on a football forum. It's not his place to say. Cowdenbeath will not be for this proposal. There's really very little benefit to anybody other than the Old Firm and as per usual the SPFL/SFA/whoever it is is trying all they can to keep them happy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Having looked at the proposals, other than the £15000 and the proven nonsense of an increase of interest, what other advantages for existing League 2 teams are there? Are there any? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Minertaur said: One of the few posters on here who has 'inside' information and you discredit what he says because he won't list clubs that he's spoken to? Other clubs probably don't want a Cowdenbeath director discussing their opinion on matters on a football forum. It's not his place to say. Cowdenbeath will not be for this proposal. There's really very little benefit to anybody other than the Old Firm and as per usual the SPFL/SFA/whoever it is is trying all they can to keep them happy. 9 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: You stick to the Daily Record for your facts then Didn't realise Cowden Cowboy was a director at cowdenbeath. Respectfully, can you say how your board will vote on this? just for the record on here to get an idea of who is supporting who. respect everyones right to have different views 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, haufdaft said: Having looked at the proposals, other than the £15000 and the proven nonsense of an increase of interest, what other advantages for existing League 2 teams are there? Are there any? Scotland (Go Scotland!) will be reaching quarter finals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazil85 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Update based on below article. I realise it's not the Peterhead board but i would doubt the gaffer would be able to comment in direct contradiction to the club? If these teams all vote no and the vote is 75% of bottom three leagues then the Colts idea is dead. Also still have fan owned (soon to be) teams Dundee United, Motherwell, Hearts and St Mirren to show their hands. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/peterhead-boss-jim-mcinally-slams-celtic-rangers-colts-plan-1-4671520 Confirmed good guys Stirling Albion Airdrieonians Albion Rovers Annan Very likely good guys Dunfermline Athletic Clyde Arbroath Peterhead Most likely bad guys Berwick On the fence/not declared Stenhousemuir Morton Elgin Edinburgh Cowdenbeath Raith Ayr Stranraer Alloa E Fife Queens Park Forfar Edited January 25, 2018 by Bazil85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 One of the few posters on here who has 'inside' information and you discredit what he says because he won't list clubs that he's spoken to? Other clubs probably don't want a Cowdenbeath director discussing their opinion on matters on a football forum. It's not his place to say. Cowdenbeath will not be for this proposal. There's really very little benefit to anybody other than the Old Firm and as per usual the SPFL/SFA/whoever it is is trying all they can to keep them happy. If that is true then he’s certainly not showing it. People get discredited on here and everywhere all the time for not backing their sources/facts up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 More from Jim McInally - https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/peterhead-boss-slams-colts-idea-from-old-firm-clubs-he-says-are-out-to-bully-way-in/ 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokiejohn Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Have just found this thread , haven’t made it through all 75 pages yet , but did read this article from Nutmeg 3 which I’ve shared below and elsewhere( screenshots ). Raises some pretty interesting points . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Blue-Toon said: More from Jim McInally - https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/peterhead-boss-slams-colts-idea-from-old-firm-clubs-he-says-are-out-to-bully-way-in/ Peterhead manager Jim McInally has revealed Celtic’s head of youth could not list a single benefit for League Two clubs if Old Firm colt teams join the league. It emerged at the weekend that Celtic and Rangers are trying to force through plans which would see their colts, or under-20s teams, play in League Two from next season. The Old Firm clubs believe it would benefit their youngsters and enhance youth development, and have been sounding out League Two clubs in recent weeks to try to gain support. However, McInally has revealed that Chris McCart, head of youth at Parkhead, and the man charged with trying to make these proposals a reality for the Hoops, could not name a single benefit of the idea for League Two clubs. Blue Toon boss McInally said: “Chris McCart phoned me the week before last and I told him I have absolutely no time for the whole idea. “I don’t see what any League Two club would have to benefit with having them in the league. “I said to Chris McCart ‘what benefit has the colts coming into League Two got for Peterhead?’ “And he admitted to me none – and that sums it up, that there is nothing for the League Two clubs in this proposal. “I would like to clarify that this is my opinion and not the opinion of the club, because that is something they will need to discuss. “I don’t see why we should need to try to do Celtic and Rangers’ work for them – where we are trying to improve their kids. “Well, what benefit is that to any lower league club? “In my opinion they are bullies and they are trying to bully their way into the league. “I don’t mind admitting I’m a Celtic supporter, but I have absolutely no intention of trying to help them bring on their youngsters ahead of everybody else’s youngsters. “It’s wrong that it’s just Celtic and Rangers, but it would still be wrong if it was Aberdeen and Dundee United trying to do it or Hearts and Hibs. “It totally demeans the league, them coming in. “As much as people support Celtic and Rangers, the people who support Peterhead, Montrose, Clyde, Elgin and others support their team every bit as much and every bit as passionately as Celtic and Rangers supporters support their team. “It really annoys me that Scottish football can’t see through this – for me this should have been blown out without even getting this far.” For the idea to be passed it would need at least 22 of the SPFL’s 42 clubs to vote for it. It was reported that seven out of 10 League Two clubs are apparently in favour of it after a meeting held last week with McCart and Rangers’ development chief, Craig Mulholland. McInally is not convinced by the reports of the meeting and added: “I know that is being claimed but I don’t think it has happened. “But they have been contacting clubs and I have heard there are chairmen who think it is a wonderful idea. “For me that is who the supporters have got to put pressure on – the boards. “To hear people are in favour of it is really, really worrying. “It’s shocking to think that’s how small-minded the powers that be are at football clubs in League Two.” League Two clubs are being offered £15,000 a season, with the Hoops and Gers promising to buy 250 tickets at £10 a ticket each visit. McInally believes that cash won’t have much impact on League Two clubs and reckons if colts teams did play in League Two they would lose regularly, as has been the case in the Irn-Bru Cup in the last two seasons. He added: “I just think it would be really small minded of League Two clubs to accept such a paltry offer which basically turns into £15,000 each over a season. “I guarantee that at Peterhead we would lose support if the proposals go through. I would hope supporters of all League Two clubs would boycott their clubs if they think this is the way ahead. “This isn’t healthy for lower league clubs. “I don’t know what it has to do with Project Brave – which it’s apparently attached to. People have been quoted saying it would back-up Project Brave – who cares about Project Brave? “At the end of the day if Celtic and Rangers want to improve Scottish football they should stop signing so many foreign players for a start. “They should cut down the amount of young players they are bringing into their clubs. “A key thing for me is that if they want their young players to play against men, they need to remember they also need to play with men. “That’s not going to happen with the colts in League Two. “The Challenge Cup in my opinion has been an embarrassment for the colts teams, they’ve been beaten time after time. “I said to Chris McCart that I understand he has a job to do “But certainly I will do my best to get support from supporters of all League Two clubs to make sure they give their boards a hard time if they approve this. “I wouldn’t think £15,000 will change any club’s financial situation because I’m sure somewhere along the line they’ll lose £15,000 if they support this idea.” As a former youth coach with Celtic, McInally has experience of developing players. And he believes a return to a reserve league, where young players play alongside senior pros, is the way forward. “I’m speaking from experience and my opinion is that the whole youth system needs to change,” he said. “And I don’t think them trying to bully their way into League Two is the answer to the problems Celtic and Rangers have. “In my opinion they need to get back to a proper reserve league, and by that I mean a reserve league where your young players are mixing and playing with your senior players. “Chris McCart told me he didn’t think that would be possible – he never gave an argument on why he didn’t think that would be possible – because at the end of the day the reserve league was stopped because it was costing clubs money. “But I’m pretty sure if Celtic and Rangers want to throw their money about they could do it by helping to organise a proper reserve league. “Celtic can only play 11 first-team players on a Saturday and they’ve got a squad of about 25. “So they have plenty of players who could go and give their experience and play with their younger players.” 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 First time I've ever agreed with Jim McInally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Wow Take a bow Jim Mcinally 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 first time Ive listened to Mcinally and thought he made sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 If that is true then he’s certainly not showing it. People get discredited on here and everywhere all the time for not backing their sources/facts up. I put some facts up on a personal basis but am not speaking for the club - you just assume that anyone not just running with the pack is for this idea it seems though. I know what CFC's feedback was but CFC do not post on this site. I remember being told on here that CFC would be in favour of Rangers being put in the 1st Division but CFC was not. The last time this issue came up CFC made crystal clear their opposition to it and their reasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Strong words from Jim McInally. Good on him. No doubt Central Fife’s very own Professor of Metaphysics, Cowden Cowboy, will be calling him shortly to scold him for “partial” and “flawed” reasoning on the subject of his support for reserve teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I put some facts up on a personal basis but am not speaking for the club - you just assume that anyone not just running with the pack is for this idea it seems though. I know what CFC's feedback was but CFC do not post on this site.I remember being told on here that CFC would be in favour of Rangers being put in the 1st Division but CFC was not. The last time this issue came up CFC made crystal clear their opposition to it and their reasons. To start with what we were arguing about was a total non issue. Secondly to me and others you are just a supporter, not a director at a league 2 club. If you say stuff and don’t back it up people will doubt what you say that happens everywhere. Nothing against you and apologies but that’s just the way it is, sure you understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 15 hours ago, JakeSAFC said: It would be hard for me to turn my back on Stirling, considering our stance. But I would in no way attend shitey B team games against those tramps. Same with Scotland games, refuse to give that shower that run our game any money. f**k the Old Firm and f**k the SFA. I think even if my club vote against it and it goes through I'll still be done with it. Why should I support a league system that has the sole purpose of developing young players? I go to the football to watch us compete and try and win games, if young players are playing then that's a bonus, but I'm here for the competition, nothing else. It'll only grow from here too, once Rangers and Celtic are in the door it's open for anyone else in the Premiership who wants it, then it's only a matter of time before they start arguing that they need to go into League 1 to play a better standard of opposition, then the payments of 250 tickets will stop/change. Jim McInally is spot on and it's farcical that this proposal has even got this far. We truly have a bunch of self-absorbed old blazer c***s running things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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