Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Burns day the day! This seems to hit the spot. wonder what clubs will be #bought and sold for old firm gold# Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame, Fareweel our ancient glory; Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name, Sae fam'd in martial story. Now Sark rins over Solway sands, An' Tweed rins to the ocean, To mark where England's province stands- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! What force or guile could not subdue, Thro' many warlike ages, Is wrought now by a coward few, For hireling traitor's wages. The English steel we could disdain, Secure in valour's station; But English gold has been our bane - Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! O would, ere I had seen the day That Treason thus could sell us, My auld grey head had lien in clay, Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace! But pith and power, till my last hour, I'll mhak this declaration; We're bought and sold for English gold- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afca32 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Very strong words from McInally, fair play to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 https://www.annanathleticfc.com/annan-join-south-of-scotland/ Annan are against "colt" teams yet have one in the South of Scotland League. Couldn't make it up. [emoji3] That's not what is said on the link. They disagree with the current proposal, which is dumping colt sides into L2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 From that article. 22 out of 42 clubs to vote for it? Is that really all that is required? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Jim McInally... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 From that article. 22 out of 42 clubs to vote for it? Is that really all that is required? Isn't it 11/12 premiership clubs, and 23/30 from championship down? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 From that article. 22 out of 42 clubs to vote for it? Is that really all that is required? No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Good. Didn’t think so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I really don't understand why clubs need to wait for "formal proposals".For me it's a matter of principle and clubs should be able to make their opinions known "on principle" Exactly, there is no positive to this proposal for league Two clubs.It simply boils down to are you willing to make a mockery of your league for £15k a season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Fantastic stuff from Jim McInally. Well done to him for giving his honest opinion and not playing it safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Jim[emoji176] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Really pleased to hear Jim's comments and I know the board respect him so hopefully they are of a similar mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Sorry if this has been covered... What is required to carry this through in a vote? Is it a straight majority needed? p8-9:https://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__articlesofassociationofthescottishprofessionalfootballleaguelimitedasat20july2016_1470742749.pdfOrdinary Resolution means a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, which is not a special resolution, Qualified Resolution or Commercial Resolution, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than each of: (i) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership [9 from 12]; (ii) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Championship [8 from 10]; and (iii) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of League One and League Two [15 from 20], whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed; Qualified Resolution means, in relation to those Reserved Matters referred to in Article 62, a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than 90% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership [11 from 12]; 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership and the Championship [17 from 22]; and 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership, the Championship, League One and League Two [32 from 42], whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed; It would appear a mixture of Ordinary and Qualified resolutions could need to be adjusted to admit 'B' teams. For example C4 (guarded by Qualified Resolution) limits SPFL to 42 clubs, while C6 (by Ordinary Resolution) specifies that 10 clubs play in SPFL2 - similar with rules on prizemoney payments, division formats, home/away games, who enters playoffs, etc. etc.https://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootballleagueasat24july201_1502440056.pdfFurthermore, p17:Subject to Article 61.2, where an Ordinary Resolution before a General Meeting, including a resolution proposing an amendment to a provision of the Rules, is not a special resolution, Qualified Resolution or a Commercial Resolution and it exclusively relates to or concerns a matter which is relevant to only one or as the case may be, more specific Divisions, of which the Chairman failing whom the chairman of the relevant meeting, shall be the sole judge, not less than 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of each of the relevant Division or as the case may be, Divisions [8 from 10], whether all of the relevant Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, shall be required for the passing of the resolution. Edited January 25, 2018 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I've never believed this would have the support to get the votes required but it's still encouraging that so many have found their voices on this subject. If, allied to people like Jim McInally, the fans leave clubs in no doubt to their opposition to this horrendous proposal, it won't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 What an UTTER bodying that is from McInally, fair play 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazil85 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: p8-9:https://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__articlesofassociationofthescottishprofessionalfootballleaguelimitedasat20july2016_1470742749.pdfOrdinary Resolution means a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, which is not a special resolution, Qualified Resolution or Commercial Resolution, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than each of: (i) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership [9 from 12]; (ii) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Championship [8 from 10]; and (iii) 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of League One and League Two [15 from 20], whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed; Qualified Resolution means, in relation to those Reserved Matters referred to in Article 62, a resolution of the Company at a General Meeting, of which notice has been duly given in accordance with these Articles, and which requires the support of not less than 90% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership [11 from 12]; 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership and the Championship [17 from 22]; and 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of the Premiership, the Championship, League One and League Two [32 from 42], whether all the Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, to be passed; It would appear a mixture of Ordinary and Qualified resolutions could need to be adjusted to admit 'B' teams. For example C4 (guarded by Qualified Resolution) limits SPFL to 42 clubs, while C6 (by Ordinary Resolution) specifies that 10 clubs play in SPFL2 - similar with rules on prizemoney payments, division formats, home/away games, who enters playoffs, etc. etc.https://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootballleagueasat24july201_1502440056.pdfFurthermore, p17:Subject to Article 61.2, where an Ordinary Resolution before a General Meeting, including a resolution proposing an amendment to a provision of the Rules, is not a special resolution, Qualified Resolution or a Commercial Resolution and it exclusively relates to or concerns a matter which is relevant to only one or as the case may be, more specific Divisions, of which the Chairman failing whom the chairman of the relevant meeting, shall be the sole judge, not less than 75% of the Members owning and operating Clubs entitled for the time being to be the members of each of the relevant Division or as the case may be, Divisions [8 from 10], whether all of the relevant Members of the Company actually attend and vote or not, shall be required for the passing of the resolution. So does that mean we need 11 good guys over, six from top two divisions or two from top division? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bazil85 said: So does that mean we need 11 good guys over, six from top two divisions or two from top division? As per my red notation that would seem the 'blockers' of the Qualified Resolutions, yep - while the 'blockers' of the Ordinary Resolutions would seem 6 from the bottom two divisions, 3 from the second division or 4 from the top division. As regards the last bit, where 3 from SPFL2 itself could 'block', I'd be less sure - it's at chairman's discretion so they might say it affects other divisions as Rangers & Celtic play in Premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ter said: Couldn't make it up. No, your club quite literally are trying to make this shit up. The fact you (and no doubt many other OF supporting fuckwits) can't see the difference between the two situations says it all really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Burnsythebinman said: If any one knows better - update the hit list---------- League 1 & League 2 - and declared Championship clubs Confirmed good guys Stirling Albion Airdrieonians Albion Rovers Annan Very likely good guys Dunfermline Athletic Clyde Arbroath Queens Park Most likely bad guys Berwick On the fence/not declared Peterhead Stenhousemuir Morton Elgin Edinburgh Cowdenbeath Raith Ayr Stranraer Alloa E Fife Forfar I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you've missed the half dozen posts relating to Queen's Park's current position which was that they are "firmly against the proposal", and have promoted them into the Very Likely Good Guys section if you've no objection? PS step aside Stewart Regan - Jim McInally is the new voice of Scottish Football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Spider said: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you've missed the half dozen posts relating to Queen's Park's current position which was that they are "firmly against the proposal", and have promoted them into the Very Likely Good Guys section if you've no objection? PS step aside Stewart Regan - Jim McInally is the new voice of Scottish Football sorry if I missed it. cheers for updating the list mate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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