BawWatchin Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 56 minutes ago, mizfit said: The Brexit party, DUP & Tories coalition of Chaos then? Not enough numbers You forgot the Lib Dems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 You forgot the Lib Dems.Easily forgettable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 hours ago, mizfit said: The Brexit party, DUP & Tories coalition of Chaos then? Given that the Brexit Party have only one policy at the moment, extrapolating the result of a poll to an election that will happen in perhaps 3 years seems daft. I fully expect Brexit Party to implode long before then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 Given that the Brexit Party have only one policy at the moment, extrapolating the result of a poll to an election that will happen in perhaps 3 years seems daft. I fully expect Brexit Party to implode long before then.They won't implode until brexit is delivered 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 They won't implode until brexit is deliveredOr a scientific cure for being gay is develpoed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Don’t know if this is the right thread, but if a GE was called as a result of a Brexit stalemate and the Tories and Labour combined were in a minority then it could spell the end of FPTP and change U.K. politics forever. The Lib Dems would want it, the SNP would support it and I imagine the Brexit mob would see it as very beneficial to remaining a force beyond one election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Don’t know if this is the right thread, but if a GE was called as a result of a Brexit stalemate and the Tories and Labour combined were in a minority then it could spell the end of FPTP and change U.K. politics forever. The Lib Dems would want it, the SNP would support it and I imagine the Brexit mob would see it as very beneficial to remaining a force beyond one election. Why would the SNP support it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Why would the SNP support it? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-snp-would-vote-to-introduce-proportional-representation-at-westminster-nicola-sturgeon-confirms-10223302.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-snp-would-vote-to-introduce-proportional-representation-at-westminster-nicola-sturgeon-confirms-10223302.html Fair enough. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Don’t know if this is the right thread, but if a GE was called as a result of a Brexit stalemate and the Tories and Labour combined were in a minority then it could spell the end of FPTP and change U.K. politics forever. The Lib Dems would want it, the SNP would support it and I imagine the Brexit mob would see it as very beneficial to remaining a force beyond one election. Farage has spoken out against FPTP and in favour of a PR system 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Donathan said: Farage has spoken out against FPTP and in favour of a PR system Yeah, the only parties that still benefit from FPTP are Labour, the Tories and, more recently, the SNP who still favour PR. Like I said an abandonment of FPTP at Westminster would change the political landscape for ever. I think the only thing that can save the Tories is Gove becoming PM as he has signaled a more pragmatic approach to Brexit. He knows there are not the numbers at Westminster to support a No Deal and as a result he might manage to avoid a GE. Raab, Johnson or their ilk won’t get No Deal through and might find it impossible to govern or even be brought down by Tory ‘moderates’. A GE could be forced that would spell disaster for the Tories. I reckon a GE called any time in the next 12 months if there has been no resolution of Brexit will throw up a political map that none of us would have predicted a few months ago. The only thing that might change that is Labour commiting to a Second Referendum and signalling their support for Remain. I don’t see that happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 hours ago, doulikefish said: 14 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: They won't implode until brexit is delivered Or a scientific cure for being gay is develpoed Nailed it. The Brexit party will prosper so long as it keeps the message about Brexit and nothing else. It'll do fine so long as Farage keeps downplaying his ambitions towards number 10. If that cloak falls away, and the Brexit party is revealed as a socially conservative party on wider issues, they'll start to lose socially liberal voters. Some people would further abandon them if forced to seriously weigh up the prospect of PM Farage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah, the only parties that still benefit from FPTP are Labour, the Tories and, more recently, the SNP who still favour PR. Like I said an abandonment of FPTP at Westminster would change the political landscape for ever. I think the only thing that can save the Tories is Gove becoming PM as he has signaled a more pragmatic approach to Brexit. He knows there are not the numbers at Westminster to support a No Deal and as a result he might manage to avoid a GE. Raab, Johnson or their ilk won’t get No Deal through and might find it impossible to govern or even be brought down by Tory ‘moderates’. A GE could be forced that would spell disaster for the Tories. I reckon a GE called any time in the next 12 months if there has been no resolution of Brexit will throw up a political map that none of us would have predicted a few months ago. The only thing that might change that is Labour commiting to a Second Referendum and signalling their support for Remain. I don’t see that happening. I feel pretty bad for the remain supporting Tory MPs who may need to choose between allowing no deal to happen or potentially voting down the government and letting Corbyn in. There's a 14 day period between a government being VONC and a GE being triggered to see if anyone else can command a majority, I wonder if someone like Grieve or Letwin could find a way to become an interim PM with support of remainer Tories, Blairite Labour MPs, Lib Dems, Change UK and the SNP so that a GE could be avoided. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: I feel pretty bad for the remain supporting Tory MPs who may need to choose between allowing no deal to happen or potentially voting down the government and letting Corbyn in. There's a 14 day period between a government being VONC and a GE being triggered to see if anyone else can command a majority, I wonder if someone like Grieve or Letwin could find a way to become an interim PM with support of remainer Tories, Blairite Labour MPs, Lib Dems, Change UK and the SNP so that a GE could be avoided. At the risk of sounding like a MSM hack we are in uncharted territory. Things that would have seemed impossible a few months ago could now happen. That said I cannot think of any reason why either the Lib Dem’s or the SNP would want to avoid a GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Donathan said: I feel pretty bad for the remain supporting Tory MPs who may need to choose between allowing no deal to happen or potentially voting down the government and letting Corbyn in. f**k them. It's their party who have caused this chaos. 2 hours ago, Donathan said: There's a 14 day period between a government being VONC and a GE being triggered to see if anyone else can command a majority, I wonder if someone like Grieve or Letwin could find a way to become an interim PM with support of remainer Tories, Blairite Labour MPs, Lib Dems, Change UK and the SNP so that a GE could be avoided. Why in God's name would the SNP and Lib Dems want to avoid a GE ? They're both on course for significant gains, and for the SNP there would be the added bonuses of wiping out the Tories in Scotland (and shutting Davidson's mouth) and seeing a hard-right party effectively gain power south of the border. A General Election in the next 6 months would be magnificent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: ...That said I cannot think of any reason why either the Lib Dem’s or the SNP would want to avoid a GE. Any risk of having Nigel Farage as PM would give most people who aren't completely obsessed by constitutional politics a reason to think very carefully about what to do next. That would be a case of having somebody like Donald Trump in control with none of the checks and balances of the American system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 During a period of political upheaval, stalemate on the brexit issue and resignation of the PM it would be crazy not to have a GE before the end of this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 The ‘problem’ with a Parliamentary democracy as we have in the U.K. and in Scotland is that it’s not the people as a whole who chose the PM. I don’t have any problem with that in principle. I do have a problem with the lack of oversight by parties in power of their leaders. For example, Corbyn is certainly not representing the majority of the PLP OR the wider Labour membership on the issue of Brexit. The PM (and arguably by extension all party leaders) is supposed to be first amongst equals not a presidency type figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Westminster voting intention:BREX: 26% (+4)LAB: 20% (+1)LDEM: 20% (-4)CON: 18% (+2)GRN: 9% (+1)CHUK: 0% (-1)via @YouGov, 04 - 06 JunChgs. w/ 29 MayCHUKle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 YouGov - 2019-06-06BRX: 26%LDem: 20%Lab: 20%Con: 18%Grn: 9%Flavible ProjectionBRX: 278 (+278)Lab: 141 (-121)LDem: 113 (+101)SNP: 52 (+17)Con: 41 (-277)PC: 4 (-)Grn: 2 (+1)Ind: 1 (+1)Changes w/ 2017https://t.co/Je1uAHBwt1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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