D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Given the last 15 years, I suppose anything that isn't a clowncar driving through a minefield is doing well for Labour in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Labour are highly unlikely to get an overall majority as things stand. Their great hope is that tactical voting down south will gain enough Libdem seats to not require the SNP to form a government. While they might do a few swaps with the Tories and maybe the odd gain from the SNP they aren't going to get more than single figures up here as their entire policy platform (anti EU, anti Immigration, anti SM & CU, anti FoM and silent on constitutional reform like PR and the HoL), it would appear to me anyway, is designed to piss off as many people in Scotland as possible. (assuming we're still here at the next GE of course). While Sarwar seems more competent than some of his predecessors, Starmer and the right of the main party have sidelined him completely so my guess is he'll be no more successful than that Rupert Lapdancer fellow he replaced. f**k Labour. f**k the UK etc etc. Probably repeating myself, but the best result is Labour relying on the SNP for a majority. I think there is a real likelihood of the numbers stacking up that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Probably repeating myself, but the best result is Labour relying on the SNP for a majority. I think there is a real likelihood of the numbers stacking up that way. It's very likely but you should hear the helmets in allegedly progressive circles down south saying in this circumstance Labour would be able to deny a section 30 order. Which one assumes would be the absolute minimum the SNP would require. Could be just a few seats in it. But let's hope that democracy prevails and none of this hypothetical goat f**k has anything to do with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 58 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said: Given the last 15 years, I suppose anything that isn't a clowncar driving through a minefield is doing well for Labour in Scotland. I laughed a little too hard at that. Anas has to be commended for his revolutionary plan of... having a makeover! Scotch Labour; just like regular Labour but with new packaging. It has a thistle. Jocks love thistles. No policies yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: It's very likely but you should hear the helmets in allegedly progressive circles down south saying in this circumstance Labour would be able to deny a section 30 order. Which one assumes would be the absolute minimum the SNP would require. . Labour have already said they wouldn't agree to that, why would they? There's no way the SNP will put the tories in to power, so Labour would simply call their bluff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MONKMAN said: Labour have already said they wouldn't agree to that, why would they? There's no way the SNP will put the tories in to power, so Labour would simply call their bluff. OTOH why in the name of the wee man would Labour deny themselves the first chance at government for a decade and a half? Not sure who would be calling whose bluff here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: OTOH why in the name of the wee man would Labour deny themselves the first chance at government for a decade and a half? Not sure who would be calling whose bluff here. Yeah, Labour would have far more to lose than the SNP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah, Labour would have far more to lose than the SNP. Labour won’t lose. If the SNP hold the balance of power, with or without a section 30 order, they’ll put Labour into government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: Labour won’t lose. If the SNP hold the balance of power, with or without a section 30 order, they’ll put Labour into government. They would lose support if they failed to use their position to get their demands met. If Labour called that a red line, so what? That means they would be a minority administration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zern said: They would lose support if they failed to use their position to get their demands met. If Labour called that a red line, so what? That means they would be a minority administration. It’s highly unlikely that Labour will get a majority. In this scenario, the SNP can ask Labour for a section 30 order in exchange for their support. Labour say no, the SNP will still put Labour in to government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: It’s highly unlikely that Labour will get a majority. In this scenario, the SNP can ask Labour for a section 30 order in exchange for their support. Labour say no, the SNP will still put Labour in to government. and that folks is the bullying oppression of the union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: It’s highly unlikely that Labour will get a majority. In this scenario, the SNP can ask Labour for a section 30 order in exchange for their support. Labour say no, the SNP will still put Labour in to government. Why would they do that? If their demands are not met, f**k Labour. The SNP don't need to do anything as Labour are the ones (in this hypothetical) whose need is greater. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, Zern said: Why would they do that? They won’t risk the conservatives getting in to power again. I’d imagine once Boris is punted, the tories popularity in right wing England will be on the rise again and the next election could be closer than current projected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 It will all depend on the numbers. Labour will certainly have to offer something in that situation, not necessarily a S30. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Absolute Copium trying to shoehorn the Tartan Tories into our likely new Lab/LibDem government. I realise Labour being in power torpedoes the Indy perpetual Tory argument and therefore some people are sad to see it happen but it's definitely one of the better options considering where we are. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Jesus! A Lib/ Lab coalition government would be utterly horrendous. Two right wing parties just a slither to the left of the Tories. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: They won’t risk the conservatives getting in to power again. I’d imagine once Boris is punted, the tories popularity in right wing England will be on the rise again and the next election could be closer than current projected. *louder for those at the back* It is not the job of the Scottish electorate to deliver England a government it didn't vote for and that is antithetical/openly hostile to the needs, wants and actual fucking policies of the people they did actually vote for. Funny how hard this is for some to grasp. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 Nah. Labour are a Unionist party. Scotland favours remaining in the Union and Labour are doing well without having to change their stance. It's funny to see SNP/Indy supporters trying to attach their ideological identity issues onto something that's doing well and claiming that that's what people care about. Maybe, but Labour need to offer something different on the constitution or will never gain control ... FFA might be a start 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 The SNP’s raison d’être is Scottish Independence, if we are in a position to force a commitment to a further Indy Ref after the next GE then it’s something we must do even if it means abstaining in voting for a new government if such a commitment is not forthcoming by Labour. Otherwise our elected representatives might as well not be there. The real pressure would be on Labour as they would have the option of allowing the fulfilment of a legitimate mandate by granting a Section 30 or passing on the opportunity of forming the first Labour government since 2010. It would be a stalemate anyway as any Tory government that could be defeated by a combination of Labour and SNP wouldn’t survive the first Queen’s Speech. Off topic, but the way that Salmond was demonised by the Tories in the 2015 campaign won’t work with Sturgeon who seems to be well respected/liked by much of the non-Scottish electorate as shown during the Brexit campaign and during the pandemic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 7 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: *louder for those at the back* It is not the job of the Scottish electorate to deliver England a government it didn't vote for and that is antithetical/openly hostile to the needs, wants and actual fucking policies of the people they did actually vote for. Funny how hard this is for some to grasp. For the 18th time, for those struggling to process what’s actually been said. When questioned on the matter, if they were in a position of holding the balance of power. Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP have repeatedly stated, that under no circumstances would they allow the conservatives into power. With or without a section 30 order, there is no way the tories form government if there was an alternative. Funny how hard this is for some to grasp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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