Salvo Montalbano Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 A reasonable argument I agree.......however the play-off system is loaded against the HFL/SLL champions insofar as they have to play a 2 legged semi-final, before playing club 42 in the SPFL.Twice as many play offs after a long season. Also in England, there isn't a relegation playoff system. If you are in the designated relegation positions, you are relegated. There is no chance of a reprieve, by playing 2 play off games against the winning play off club from the tier below. Worth noting of course that the SPFL League 2 teams play 36 League fixtures against 34 for the Highland League team and 30 for the Lowland League team. There are extra cups at both levels and I suppose it's more likely that the top Highland and Lowland teams will play most cup ties than a struggling League 2 side, but I wouldn't say the extra 2 games in the play off phase have that much of an effect, especially since they are played at weekends and not Tuesday-Saturday like the SPFL play offs are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 High time a fire was lit under some of these dead beat league 2 clubs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 With no offence meant to East Stirling, Elgin, Montrose or Berwick they've spent most of the last decade milling around the bottom half of the bottom league. When a coupla teams like Arbroath, Brechin, Stranraer or Alloa find themselves relegated, or regularly close to it over a period of time, the fear of being trapped in the Lowland/Highland league will see promotion/relegation opened up. Hadn’t realised that Alloa, Arbroath and Brechin were so highly regarded [emoji6] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Slaverysam said: High time a fire was lit under some of these dead beat league 2 clubs What 'dead beat' clubs are you referring too? The smallest club in League 2 is Edinburgh City, the only club to have been promoted from the Lowland League. Are you trying to make an argument against promotion/ relegation from League 2 and saying it should be a closed shop again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, EdinburghBlue said: Hadn’t realised that Alloa, Arbroath and Brechin were so highly regarded If we ever go down to the Highland League it would be the end of us - and I am rather confident the SPFL wouldn't give a flying f**k about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 What 'dead beat' clubs are you referring too? The smallest club in League 2 is Edinburgh City, the only club to have been promoted from the Lowland League. Are you trying to make an argument against promotion/ relegation from League 2 and saying it should be a closed shop again? The exact opposite my friend am very much an advocate for relegation from league 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Slaverysam said: The exact opposite my friend am very much an advocate for relegation from league 2 Oh I know, sarcasm doesn't appear to come across too well on here As I asked; what 'dead beat' clubs are you referring too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I wonder how they will seed the three sections now, maybe 1,2,3, 1,2,3, 1,2,3 etc based on league positions? therefore Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow and Penicuik all in separate sections, same with Hawick, LTHV and Preston? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I wonder how they will seed the three sections now, maybe 1,2,3, 1,2,3, 1,2,3 etc based on league positions? therefore Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow and Penicuik all in separate sections, same with Hawick, LTHV and Preston? There's already a couple of breakdowns buried in the thread. If I wasn't on my phone I'd quote them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Will the eosfl rubber stamp every application for certain ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) On 6/3/2018 at 15:47, Pyramidic said: Over the moon with the restructuring of the EoSL. I would suggest that the 3 Conferences (13 teams in each) are formed by first establishing 13 pools each with 3 teams based on current league positions. This seeding will give us the following: Pool 1 Hawick Royal Albert, Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale, Preston AthleticPool 2 Leith Athletic, Tynecastle, Heriot-Watt UniversityPool 3 Peebles Rovers, Burntisland Shipyard, University of Stirling reservesPool 4 Coldstream, Eyemouth United, OrmistonPool 5 Tweedmouth Rangers, Dunipace Juniors, Inverkeithing Hillfield SwiftsPool 6 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Linlithgow Rose, Penicuik AthleticPool 7 Dundonald Bluebell, Broxburn Athletic, Hill of Beath HawthornPool 8 Bo'ness United, Camelon Juniors, Newtongrange StarPool 9 Sauchie Juniors, Jeanfield Swifts, Musselburgh AthleticPool 10 Haddington Athletic, Blackburn United, Dunbar UnitedPool 11 Tranent Juniors, St Andrews United, Arniston RangersPool 12 Dalkeith Thistle, Edinburgh United, Oakley UnitedPool 13 Crossgates Primrose, Craigroyston, Easthouses Lily Miners Welfare A draw should then be made in front of the member clubs to determine which teams from Pool 1 go in Conference A, Conference B and Conference C; which teams from Pool 2 go in Conference A, Conference B and Conference C etc. etc. This process will enable the constitution of each conference to be fairly determined by a draw while at the same time using realistic seeding. (Pool 5 - Tweedmouth Rangers, Dunipace Juniors, Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts - is the difficult one to seed and basically incorporates those teams that are left over). The provision of a 3 team Championship Play-off League at the end of the season is an awkward process but must be fairly addressed. Again I would suggest a seeding process - with the Conference champions with the most points (or better goal difference) being seeded No. 1. The next best No. 2. The team with the lowest number of points being No.3 We will then have 6 matches (4 games for each team) in a mini-league (home and away) 1 v 3 3 v 2 2 v 1 3 v 1 2 v 3 1 v 2 If the seeding is correct then everything will depend on the last match 1 v 2 (with 1 having home advantage). It is a bit messy but I cannot think of a fairer process. It will probably mean that the Championship Play-off League will take 3 weeks to complete. I suppose the other option would be to play a single round of games perhaps using neutral grounds. The EoSL Championship winners will meet the winners of the SoSL in a 2 leg Lowland Promotion Playoff to determine the promoted team. The teams finishing 1 to 5 in each of the 3 Conferences will enter the EoSL Premier (Tier 6) in 2019/20 (with the probable exception of the Champions who will be replaced by the last placed team in the Lowland League). There is then the issue of how to determine Club No.16 for the EoSL Premier in 2019/20. It could be one of four: 1. The EoSL championship winners are not promoted as they lose the Lowland Promotion Playoff with the winners of the SoSL. 2. An additional club relegated from the Lowland League because of a relegated club from SPFL2; OR 3. Clydebank - if the WoSL is a non-starter; OR 4. The winners of a Promotion Playoff between the 3 teams finishing sixth in the 3 Conferences (similar format to the Championship Play-off League?) All the remaining teams in the 3 Conferences drop to Tier 7 in 2019/20 - possibly Division 1 North and Division 1 South. It is a little more complicated than it first seems. Is my logic correct? The weak area in my view is the delay created by a 3 week Championship Play-off League before the EoSL Championship winners can meet the winners of the SoSL in a 2 leg Lowland Promotion Playoff. Previous thread - responding to Burnie_man. I agreed with the debate that the Pools / Pots should be rejigged so that - Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale, Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Linlithgow Rose - are in the same Pot. I can amend the Pools/Pots if anyone is interested Edited June 6, 2018 by Pyramidic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, lithgierose said: Will the eosfl rubber stamp every application for certain ? They've already said its definitely 3 leagues of 13, so that pretty much means every team has been accepted plus 2 who haven't went public, believed to be Sauchie and Oakley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, lithgierose said: Will the eosfl rubber stamp every application for certain ? They've announced a 39 team proposal. During the first deadline an amateur had put in an application only to be told they didn't meet the ground requirements at present. It's only for the clubs to mess things up now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: I can amend the Pools/Pots if anyone is interested What would be the point, as it's entirely speculative? We'll know the real thing soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: What would be the point, as it's entirely speculative? We'll know the real thing soon enough. I get the impression that the EoSL admin do read the P&B. No "head in the sand stuff" this side of the divide. Good ideas might prosper - but I am not saying that making a draw for the 3 Conferences would work if the fixture secretary has to build in a number of permutations - ground sharing, no floodlights etc. At least we will have a proper Fixtures List to scrutinise and admire in the near future. Edited June 6, 2018 by Pyramidic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Will the eosfl rubber stamp every application for certain ? Most likely, though another West Lothian club have made a pre AGM enquirey 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaverysam Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Oh I know, sarcasm doesn't appear to come across too well on here [emoji6] As I asked; what 'dead beat' clubs are you referring too? Hang on, how many in the division......10, there's your answer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: What would be the point, as it's entirely speculative? We'll know the real thing soon enough. He's got nothing better to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Slaverysam said: Most likely, though another West Lothian club have made a pre AGM enquirey Hmm. If I were part of the EoS, it’d be a case of saying “sorry, we already extended the deadline”...unless 2 others come forward as well to keep the 3 divisions equal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Beyond the 42 thing, I suspect a club like Bathgate might be listened to with a bit more interest than a club like Stoneyburn. Time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.