Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Just now, KirkieRR said:

I think I prefer leaders who play by the rules. Whatever anyone thinks of Sturgeon, she's not Bungling Bonzo or Vlad the Pute or Donald Trumpet.

The rules (our constitution) that are not worth the paper they and not written on.

 

 

 

[Richey Edwards]

5 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Westminster and Holyrood are unusual in not having term limits but 8 years of running any country is probably about enough for anybody, especially if you throw a pandemic in to up the stress levels.

One of the few good ideas (in principle, at least) I think the Americans have is that the President cannot have more than two terms. In theory this should mean that at least every eight years there's a refresh and that a potential successor is being primed.

Of course, in practice they seem to enjoy picking the shittest, least progressive candidates possible because anything remotely sensible like free healthcare and increased gun control is "too socialist" for most people.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

1 minute ago, SandyCromarty said:

Here is a couple of headlines from the Fascist Himmleresque Propaganda Dept of the DMO.

DAN WOOTTON: Scheming Sturgeon's snivelling resignation is proof that embracing an extreme woke agenda then calling a male rapist 'her' is a ticket to political oblivion. She leaves the Scottish separatism cause in tatters 

It was barely 11am... but already you could hear the faint sound of Champagne corks popping around Westminster: HENRY DEEDES watches Sturgeon's downfall

Is Dan Wootton actually @spongeheid15?

Jesus. 

[topcat(The most tip top)]

1 minute ago, Richey Edwards said:

One of the few good ideas (in principle, at least) I think the Americans have is that the President cannot have more than two terms. In theory this should mean that at least every eight years there's a refresh and that a potential successor is being primed.

Of course, in practice they seem to enjoy picking the shittest, least progressive candidates possible because anything remotely sensible like free healthcare and increased gun control is "too socialist" for most people.

It's not just America, just about any Presidential system has some kind of term limits

Of course sometimes (like Ireland and Germany) the President is head of state but the prime minister is effectively running the government. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_term_limits

[DeeTillEhDeh]

6 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said:

Is Dan Wootton actually @spongeheid15?

Jesus. 

It's ludicrous that a talentless clickbaiter like Wooton is classed as a journalist.

[SandyCromarty]

8 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

It's not just America, just about any Presidential system has some kind of term limits

Of course sometimes (like Ireland and Germany) the President is head of state but the prime minister is effectively running the government. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_term_limits

You have to also consider the chaos that is the Italian Government where nobody has a clue what the f**k is going on.

[Theyellowbox]

To be honest, as someone who is pro independence, but not necessarily pro SNP, I was surprised my initial reaction of being a bit gutted by her standing down as I thought it might severely derail the push for independence. But, listening to her speech and seeing the utter disdain from the usual characters about her, the SNP and Scotland as a whole, I'm more coming to the view that her being there or not probably matters very little to the views on independence.

If you were pro independence, I doubt you'd be swayed by her alone and if you were against independence, her being there or not matters not.

If, (and I suspect there must be some) you change your opinion on independence as a result of her stepping down, then I suspect you held an incorrect view to what you actually felt beforehand.

In a way, her stepping away strengthens her powers of persuasion as she isn't on the hook for the day to day running.

I don't vote SNP (or Alba), but domestically, it's probably time for change and on the wider constitutional issue, it may well be that her resignation allows for more younger, fresher voices to emerge.

There is very talented folk behind Sturgeon that I'm not sure the Lib Dems, Tories or Labour can really match. 

[ScotiaNostra]

easily better leader than any other party in Scotland or UK but in my opinion thats down to just how dire other parties are currently. Good at soundbites but little substance over the 8 years, history will show.

[vikingTON]

19 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

One of the few good ideas (in principle, at least) I think the Americans have is that the President cannot have more than two terms. In theory this should mean that at least every eight years there's a refresh and that a potential successor is being primed.

Of course, in practice they seem to enjoy picking the shittest, least progressive candidates possible because anything remotely sensible like free healthcare and increased gun control is "too socialist" for most people.

The most successful US President in the 20th century (arguably of all time) won four terms of office. They only changed the system after that. 

In general I think political leaders are able to spend less time at the top in modern-day politics though. Even chancers like Johnson aren't able to swan off on holiday and out of the loop to anywhere near the same extent as their predecessors - although Sturgeon made a rod for her own back by using Twitter as a pulpit. 

[SandyCromarty]

19 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

One of the few good ideas (in principle, at least) I think the Americans have is that the President cannot have more than two terms. In theory this should mean that at least every eight years there's a refresh and that a potential successor is being primed.

Of course, in practice they seem to enjoy picking the shittest, least progressive candidates possible because anything remotely sensible like free healthcare and increased gun control is "too socialist" for most people.

There's a wee anomaly, pub quiz, in there, if Biden eg became incapacitated for say a year or two and VP Harris took over as President, she can then be elected for the following two terms. Just a wee btw.  

[Binos]

Nothing left in tank is smokescreen 

She has steered the party down a route where it lost focus on anything meaningful

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

For the ones espousing Forbes as FM, are they comfortable with the fact shes pretty conservative and shares values and beliefs more aligned to Jacob ReesMogg than Mhairi Black? 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

1 minute ago, Binos said:

Nothing left in tank is smokescreen 

She has steered the party down a route where it lost focus on anything meaningful

 

[ScotiaNostra]

Is their a list of potential contenders anywhere?

[Leith Green]

Aw naw, Alex Salmond is now on the radio.............

[ICTChris]

Let’s find all the best mad takes on this. It’ll add nothing to anyone’s understanding but it will amuse me.

I will start.

[GiGi]

How it's actually all about me, Glenn Campbell- by Glen Campbell

[Richey Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

Aw naw, Alex Salmond is now on the radio.............

Salmond is an irrelevant has-been. He should have fucked off and stayed out of the public eye years ago, but his ego will not allow that. 

[Salvo Montalbano]

Notice most politicians of all colours gave generic "I may have disagreed but..." comments, but the c**t's c**t, Alistair Jack had to say something along the lines of "hopefully the new FM gives up talking about Independence". He really is a big bag of pish, isn't he?

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

1 minute ago, GiGi said:

How it's actually all about me, Glenn Campbell- by Glen Campbell

Top journalism from Glenn there. The Pulitzer must be inevitable now.

I'm amazed no journalist has ever thought about phoning some sources until now.