pozbaird Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Youll struggle to find a season in the last 20 years where a club other than Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibernian or Kilmarnock havent finished in the top 6. Finishing in the top 6 two seasons in a row isnt an overachieving and shouldnt be celebrated as some great feat, it should be seen as you setting new standards and as a springboard to achieve even more. Keep going and you should be getting a top 3 or 4 finish and a trophy within the next 3-4 years. Its absolutely shitebag mentality to think this is as good as it can get for you. The "bigger" clubs are dreadful more often than not. It’s not shitebag mentality, it’s simply not starting to display signs of entitlement or becoming billy big baws, just because we have moved away from being top flight relegation battlers, to top 6 contenders two years running. We aren’t downplaying our club, our hopes, our ‘ceiling’ as some Aberdeen fans have been putting it. The facts though are that for all our hopes of making Europe and maybe being top 6 regulars, in general, (hard to believe I know!), we aren’t deluded arseholes. We understand it’s not easy, and we’re up against the rest of a pretty well matched league - excluding two clubs. You over on the Hearts threads telling them not to celebrate being well clear in third, and they’re shitebags for not wanting to win the league or split the uglies next season? By the way, Hearts won’t split them next season - we will. Edited March 7 by pozbaird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, Molotov said: According to your claims St Mirren FC Ltd are only in this situation because we spent the Covid loan on better players. Doesnt matter how much money youve got, youve still to spend it well. Im not saying St Mirren are shite/lucky and you shouldnt celebrate it, just that this idea youre massively overachieving is stupid and playing down your own club for absolutely no reason. Clubs that can average over 5k fans should be chasing Europe and trophies every decade, not thanking their lucky stars theyll be blessed with a top 6 finish every so often. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, pozbaird said: You over on the Hearts threads telling them not to celebrate being well clear in third, and they’re shitebags for not wanting to win the league or split the uglies next season? Its not realistic for any fanbase to hope to split the top two, its a different stratosphere of issues to do that than to make the top 4. Im just sick of folk acting like Aberdeen/Hearts/Hibernian are some unreachable trio who you cant hope to compete with. And if its not those three youre proclaiming its an achievement to finish above, then who is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Doesnt matter how much money youve got, youve still to spend it well. The Warren Buffett of P&B. The sage of Perth. With this incredible financial knowledge are you still claiming St Mirren FC Ltd misused the Covid loan from the Scottish Government? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Doesnt matter how much money youve got, youve still to spend it well. Im not saying St Mirren are shite/lucky and you shouldnt celebrate it, just that this idea youre massively overachieving is stupid and playing down your own club for absolutely no reason. Clubs that can average over 5k fans should be chasing Europe and trophies every decade, not thanking their lucky stars theyll be blessed with a top 6 finish every so often. Imo there was a shift in mentality as soon as SMISA took over in 2016. It's been progress each year since then and fromwithin, we are not accepting to being a bottom 3/4 club regardless of the budgets other clubs have. Tony Fitz publicly came out and believed we should have been aiming higher and he got laughed off for it. We have put more at it towards our budget over the last couple of years and we have added more home fans to our gates most notably post covid when all was meant to be doom and gloom. Edited March 7 by smellthepaw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 41 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Youre not, and you need away from this mindset otherwise youll waste the opportunity you currently have because you all think it cant be maintained. Use us as a warning and be better. Just to be clear, you think that St Mirren are not overperforming by sitting in 4th place in the Premiership? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Its not realistic for any fanbase to hope to split the top two, its a different stratosphere of issues to do that than to make the top 4. Im just sick of folk acting like Aberdeen/Hearts/Hibernian are some unreachable trio who you cant hope to compete with. And if its not those three youre proclaiming its an achievement to finish above, then who is it? I’m not one of them. In fact, I’m in danger of annoying a lot of Aberdeen and Hibs fans, the amount of posts I make on here maintaining their ‘big club’ status is translating to pretty much fcuk-all on the pitch. Hearts only pulled away relatively recently. Kudos to them. I actually like both Aberdeen and Hibs, but I genuinely think Livvy away, for example, or Killie away, is a tougher fixture. I think St Mirren can compete with anyone, bar two, but I don’t demand it, and wouldn’t paint a ‘we deserve better’ bedsheet, should we fail to deliver 4th or 5th place this season, or next. Edited March 7 by pozbaird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, craigkillie said: Just to be clear, you think that St Mirren are not overperforming by sitting in 4th place in the Premiership? We are there on merit, though I guess its when you put it into perspective the bigger clubs below us such as Hibs, Aberdeen with more resources. Apart from those two, there isn't a huge difference between the rest apart from possibly Livingston. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, smellthepaw said: We are there on merit, though I guess its when you put it into perspective the bigger clubs below us such as Hibs, Aberdeen with more resources. Apart from those two, there isn't a huge difference between the rest apart from possibly Livingston. There's no doubt that you are there on merit, but it is an overperformance based on your resources (similar to us also being in the battle for 4th). We are both massively outstripped financially by Hibs and Aberdeen, but have the advantage of not being run and managed by idiots. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 It’s kinda strange arguing with a supporter of another club whose only major honours took place when Scottish football either had no supporters in stadiums (2020/2021) or The Rangers were down in the seaside leagues (2013/2014) and Lennon was not doing well domestically in the cups. For a city club with much greater wealth and resources than our wee town I’d say the shitebag mentality clearly resides in Perth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Thing is if Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs get relegated they are more likely to get promoted back to the top flight very quickly due to the financial resources they have. When St Mirren were relegated in the early 90s it took us close to a decade to get back to the top flight but were relegated after one season as United were able to outspend us. Plenty of teams in the top flight around that time were guilty of financial doping. Multiple administrations took place. It was a very difficult period for St Mirren. At least we can hold our heads up high and know that our club took the moral path. That’s why IF we qualify for European football then we should reflect on our path to achieving this success. There is a huge amount of football still to be played. Plenty of twists and turns no doubt and we all look forward to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Why are we even discussing St Mirren qualifying for Europe at this stage ? We have 4 very tough games to negotiate to even guarantee a top-6 slot before the split. It's not inconceivable that we could lose all of them. Right now making the top-6 is our next hurdle. If we miss out on top-6 there's going to be a few posters with egg on their faces. And no, I'm not elvis in disguise. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: Why are we even discussing St Mirren qualifying for Europe at this stage ? Cos’ we’re in 4th spot at present, and our next game is against the club in 5th? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 26 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Just to be clear, you think that St Mirren are not overperforming by sitting in 4th place in the Premiership? No. I think St Mirren have one of the best managers in the league, and one of the best built squads in the league. Is battling for fourth not exactly where they should be in comparison to others? Did you think last Summer it would be outrageous for St Mirren to push on even further and challenge higher than the year before? Or are we just meant to ignore everything that actually relates to results? In that case im delighted at how we're performing this season, sitting above Aberdeen at this stage of the season was unthinkable 12 months ago. 14 minutes ago, Molotov said: I’d say the shitebag mentality clearly resides in Perth. Pretty much yes, and why we've ended the greatest decade of our clubs history with no forward steps taken in terms of our support. We had a chairman who gave up after the double because he didn't think anything else could be achieved, and a manager drive a horrendous mentality into the club by proclaiming we were lucky to even be in the top flight. A rot we've still not shaken off. Theres still some in our support saying the same, and wishing us to end up like Falkirk so they can say they were right all along about how small a club we are and how everyone is deluded. You put the rot into your support and club and itll wither anything good away. Its a self fulfilling prophecy that can be avoided. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: No. I think St Mirren have one of the best managers in the league, and one of the best built squads in the league. Is battling for fourth not exactly where they should be in comparison to others? Did you think last Summer it would be outrageous for St Mirren to push on even further and challenge higher than the year before? Or are we just meant to ignore everything that actually relates to results? In that case im delighted at how we're performing this season, sitting above Aberdeen at this stage of the season was unthinkable 12 months ago. Pretty much yes, and why we've ended the greatest decade of our clubs history with no forward steps taken in terms of our support. We had a chairman who gave up after the double because he didn't think anything else could be achieved, and a manager drive a horrendous mentality into the club by proclaiming we were lucky to even be in the top flight. A rot we've still not shaken off. Theres still some in our support saying the same, and wishing us to end up like Falkirk so they can say they were right all along about how small a club we are and how everyone is deluded. You put the rot into your support and club and itll wither anything good away. Its a self fulfilling prophecy that can be avoided. The fact your club has the biggest heart in football will see you avoid being the new Falkirk though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, pozbaird said: The fact your club has the biggest heart in football will see you avoid being the new Falkirk though. I fear that heart left with the man who said it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I'm not sure many folk are saying that we are massively overperforming. Based on our resources finishing in the top 6 is a good achievement, to do it 2 years on the bounce is excellent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZingaliMan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, truesaint said: 5th place in SPL gets you to 2nd qualifying round and prize money as such. First qualifying round elimination: €150,000. Second qualifying round elimination: €350,000. Third qualifying round elimination: €550,000. Play-off round elimination: €750,000. A wee run would be terrific however a first round knock out in some outpost such as Tajikistan would hardly cover costs . Would be amazing to experience another European trip with Saints. The flip side of the coin 2 games a week with our squad size could make league games a bit of a struggle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 31 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said: A wee run would be terrific however a first round knock out in some outpost such as Tajikistan would hardly cover costs . Would be amazing to experience another European trip with Saints. The flip side of the coin 2 games a week with our squad size could make league games a bit of a struggle. It's a very tall ask for a team finishing 5th, or even 4th, to make the group stages. There are some very decent sides in the later qualifying rounds. Hibs last year met Villa and Hearts lost to a pretty strong PAOK team. Like you say, any sort of away day would be brilliant. A team in the Baltic states would be a good trip, hopefully we could progress and draw a decent outfit. It would be unbelievable to see us play in a big European stadium. Wait to see us finish 6th now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 34 minutes ago, ZingaliMan said: A wee run would be terrific however a first round knock out in some outpost such as Tajikistan would hardly cover costs . Would be amazing to experience another European trip with Saints. The flip side of the coin 2 games a week with our squad size could make league games a bit of a struggle. We'll be doing something very, very wrong indeed if we end up with a trip to Tajikistan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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